Serious question. How is Martinez/Floyd the same as Martinez/Ward?

[The Gambler1981]

I don't see the challenge you speak of. Martinez has never been at 168. I don't think he can compete with Ward at 168. But to compare it to Floyd or Pacman weight hopping, I think Martinez going to 164 & beating Abraham is more compatible to what Floyd & Pacman do when they weight hop. Fight a champ, usually not the best a division has to offer.

You don't see the challenge of fighting a guy who might be the best fighter in the world currently?

Floyd is out of his depth at 154 but he challenges himself by going there, Martinez is a great fighter he could easily try and go out of his depth to really challenge himself~

I guess I think higher of Martinez than you do~

[adamdoyle]

Serious question. Do you think that it's not possible for a boxing fan to want to see Floyd & Martinez fight & that maybe fans know that that is literally the most competitive fight that can be made in the sport??

Or do you honestly believe Pacman/Floyd will be more competitive, or Floyd/ginger??

Being competitive doesn't matter , just cause you wanna see one fight does not mean its the biggest fight. The biggest fight is May vs Pac , that makes the most money simple. stop spreading your false interpretation of things.

You bash Floyd vs Canelo (and so do I) Yet i don't see you complaining about Sergio fighting Chavez when he's clearly worse than Canelo....why not?

Why you ignoring so many peoples post? Your sad man, you been proven wrong, Chaves Jr outweighs Ward on fight night , Sergio has no excuse not to fight Ward

[Kagami Taiga]

so im saying ppl cant agree that floyd/martinez is just as risky a fight for floyd as martinez/ward is for martinez? lmao. what am i missing? ppl really dont believe that? because if u dont and u consider yourself not biased thats laughable.

i mean we are talking about a group of top 5 fighters in the world. its the exact same risks for both floyd and martinez. that being taking on a bigger, highly skilled fighter. doesnt mean they arent great fights, but they are the same, clearly.

[Dark_Prince]

I don't think Floyd-Martinez is competitive at 154~ if it happens it happens

I don't think Floyd-Manny is competitive at 147~ if it happens it happens

I do think Floyd-Canelo would be real competitive~ if it happens it happens

I do think Ward-Martinez~ could be competitive is Martinez is good enough but he likely isn't

Mayweather-Martinez is competitive since Martinez is a natural 154, as hes said numerous times, and because Mayweather made 154 comfortably and performed very well at the weight.

Mayweather-Pac is competitive at 147 since theyve been campaigning there for years now.

Mayweather-Canelo could be competitive, I see Canelo as a younger version of Cotto, with less boxing ability.

Ward-Martinez is not competitive since Martinez ALREADY stated he CAN NOT MAKE 168 AND WILL NOT.

[Bushbaby]

Being competitive doesn't matter , just cause you wanna see one fight does not mean its the biggest fight. The biggest fight is May vs Pac , that makes the most money simple. stop spreading your false interpretation of things.

You bash Floyd vs Canelo (and so do I) Yet i don't see you complaining about Sergio fighting Chavez when he's clearly worse than Canelo....why not?

Why you ignoring so many peoples post? Your sad man, you been proven wrong, Chaves Jr outweighs Ward on fight night , Sergio has no excuse not to fight Ward

Seeing as Chavez jr has a much better resume inside his division than ginger does, makes your whole point of view simply untrue. There is no way to prove that ginger is better than Chavez. But I will say this, if they fight at a catchweight of 158, Chavez jr ko's ginger.

[Oxn]

Beside idiots, who can see Martinez/Ward being competitive at 168?

Beside idiots, who cant see Martinez/Floyd at 154 being competitive?

[adamdoyle]

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Originally Posted by adamdoyle

Wait, what?? Did I just read that you claim Floyd is unproven at 154??

Are you telling me that you're unaware that he's a 2 time 154lb champ??

I'm wrong?? But aren't you the 1 comparing Duran to Martinez?? Who does that, like seriously?!
Your a ****ing idiot man! I NEVER compared Duran to Martinez IN FACT i said the opposite you complete moron. Duran HAD THE BALLS to jump 2 weights and fight A CHAMPION IN A WEIGHT HE HADN'T BEEN AT BEFORE and the rest is history.
A two time champ? So Sven Ottke was a two time champ! He beat Oscar and Cotto that's it no more no less, he's about as accomplished at 154 as Pacquiao is at 147, Im a floyd fan but he hasnt done **** at 154


BushBaby whats wrong? i scare you off coz u havent replied haha

[Bushbaby]

You don't see the challenge of fighting a guy who might be the best fighter in the world currently?

Floyd is out of his depth at 154 but he challenges himself by going there, Martinez is a great fighter he could easily try and go out of his depth to really challenge himself~

I guess I think higher of Martinez than you do~

You may in fact think higher of Martinez than I do. No matter how I turn it, I see him getting outclassed & destroyed by Ward at 168. Martinez drifted out of his dept the moment he went to 160 & beat the real middleweight champion. Lineal for sure, undisputed maybe.

[Kagami Taiga]

Mayweather-Martinez is competitive since Martinez is a natural 154, as hes said numerous times, and because Mayweather made 154 comfortably and performed very well at the weight.

Mayweather-Pac is competitive at 147 since theyve been campaigning there for years now.

Mayweather-Canelo could be competitive, I see Canelo as a younger version of Cotto, with less boxing ability.

Ward-Martinez is not competitive since Martinez ALREADY stated he CAN NOT MAKE 168 AND WILL NOT.

Martinez is clearly not a natural 154. and even if that were the case, floyd is clearly not a natural 154. he took a risk going up there, a risk that martinez says hes not willing to tat going up to 168. i mean seriously, what ur saying is clearly wrong.

[adamdoyle]

Seeing as Chavez jr has a much better resume inside his division than ginger does, makes your whole point of view simply untrue. There is no way to prove that ginger is better than Chavez. But I will say this, if they fight at a catchweight of 158, Chavez jr ko's ginger.

Oh im sorry i forgot i have to spell it out for YOU. P4P Canelo is light years beyond Chavez, And who has he beat Andy Lee haha Brian Vera's left overs, Rubio? Zbik( he lost this fight and he lost to Molina)
Your a joke man , admit it your WRONG