Serious question. How is Martinez/Floyd the same as Martinez/Ward?

[Gino Ros]

I see a certain fanbase claiming its the same. So I have a few questions to set this debate straight.

How many times has Martinez competed at 168??

How many titles has Martinez held at 168??

Has Floyd ever competed at 154??

Has Floyd ever held titles at 154??

Why can't Floyd & Martinez meet at 154 to fight??

How does a certain fanbase claim that Martinez moving to 168 is the same as a 2 time champion at 154 (Floyd) fighting Martinez at 154??

I'm cool with Floyd/Sergio at 154. But if Sergio can make 154 still, why can't he fight Cotto at 154.

But I'd rather see Floyd/Sergio. That is the best skills matchup in the sport, since Floyd/Ward is impossible.

[Bronard]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushbaby

So he should fight Lara or Vanes while Floyd fights ginger?? You'd like that won't ya. The winner of Lara/Vanes fighting 1 of the best fighters in the world & Floyd fights ginger. Shame on you. But Floyd would beat Martinez right??



Is it a fact Martinez would be drained Larry?? Or is that simply your assumption.

Lets keep it real. Do you believe that ginger or Martinez is next for Floyd?? If so which 1 would you prefer & why??

Canelo is next and should be...unification bout and determines a new lineal champ...then id love to see floyd try to go to 160 for the lineal title there and retire with 5 lineal titles and 10 world titles

You're full of ****. Lineal champ? Gingerella hasn't done **** in his division. He shouldn't even be top 5.



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[B.U.R.N.E.R]

It is the ****ing same.


You been pushing this agenda forever. You cant say a WW is ducking a 160 Pounder. Its just trolling.

How can you get on Floyd for not fighting Martinez but not say a WORD about Martinez moving up? It doesnt work like that be consistent. Martinez hasnt even tried to claim 154 as much as his "fans" do. He hasnt been there since 2009. Let that sink in.

You agree with Ward and say Martinez is too small for him then you ignore the fact that Floyd is a small WW let alone JMW.

Then you also ignore the fact that Martinez has not said anything about fighting at 154. He hasnt fought there since 2009. Hes not about to start now.

It is the same. The site kills me sometimes. People just want to be bitter about something. No one on this site knows if he can make 154 healthy. No one.

Boxers say they can all the time i.e Oscar and Dawson. The only name fighter that has went down without being drained recently is Judah.

Dawson paid the price. If Floyd fights a drained Martinez he just wasted his time. YOU know that. He wont get credit. Even Floyd is in tune with writers and critics. Look at Ward-Dawson.

Martinez hasnt even mention Mayweathers name since he won. He called out Cotto for a catch weight fight. He cant make 154. He knows Mayweather is too small for a cw MW fight.

Alvarez unlike Martinez HAS been fighting at 154 pounds. No one is saying Alvarez is a world beater but he is a JMW. Martinez is not.

Floyd himself is not even a real JMW. 151 pounds? Really bushbaby?

You guys whine and cry about Junior being heavy then disregard the fact that Martinez would be a SMW on fight night. Keep it real man.

Then on top of everything Alvarez-Floyd is not signed yet. And even if it is how is he ducking a 160 Pounder who hasnt fought at 154 in years, yet claims he can make the weight then calls out Cotto?

Gimme a break.

How many years does Martinez need to fight at 160 Pounds before you realize that hes a Middleweight now? After a while that weight gets hard to take off.

Floyd couldnt even get down 144. You grow into the weight man. Sergio is walking around at Cruiser weight. Why do you ignore that?

Martinez fans are using a fighter who doesnt even fight at 154 to drag Floyds name through the mud. Its sad.

If Martinez signs to fight Junior again you wont make ONE thread getting on Martinez for it.

Let me ask you this. Who is the better fighter Canelo or Chavez? .

You know the answer.

Stop trolling.

How can you knock Floyd fighting Canelo but not knock Junior for a rematch if it happens when CANELO is MUCH MUCH better than Chavez.

Makes no sense.















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[4Corners]

What I don't get is why people ignore Sergio pretty much saying he and Cotto would need to agree on a weight, which seems like he's taling between 154 and 160, and just continue to say Sergio can without a doubt make 154 fine.

Dawson was 30 and hadn't been at 168 in 5-6 years. He made the weight, but it seemed to play a factor in the fight, and Ward should have fought him at 175 if you ask me. Floyd was 32 and hadn't been to 140 in 4 years, isn't a very big WW at all, and couldn't make 144 fine and healthy, let alone 140. So why people automatically assume Sergio can make 154 fine and healthy is beyond me.

If Sergio really is a true SWW, why doesn't he leave 160 for good, and move down to 154??? Like I said, he hasn't been there in 4 years, when are people going to realize that he's a MW who comes in around 167-170 on fight night. He can make his legacy at MW. The lowest I can see him going is 157 for a Cotto fight, in all honesty.

[Bushbaby]

It is the ****ing same.


You been pushing this agenda forever. You cant say a WW is ducking a 160 Pounder. Its just trolling.

How can you get on Floyd for not fighting Martinez but not say a WORD about Martinez moving up? It doesnt work like that be consistent. Martinez hasnt even tried to claim 154 as much as his "fans" do. He hasnt been there since 2009. Let that sink in.

You agree with Ward and say Martinez is too small for him then you ignore the fact that Floyd is a small WW let alone JMW.

Then you also ignore the fact that Martinez has not said anything about fighting at 154. He hasnt fought there since 2009. Hes not about to start now.

It is the same. The site kills me sometimes. People just want to be bitter about something. No one on this site knows if he can make 154 healthy. No one.

Boxers say they can all the time i.e Oscar and Dawson. The only name fighter that has went down without being drained recently is Judah.

Dawson paid the price. If Floyd fights a drained Martinez he just wasted his time. YOU know that. He wont get credit. Even Floyd is in tune with writers and critics. Look at Ward-Dawson.

Martinez hasnt even mention Mayweathers name since he won. He called out Cotto for a catch weight fight. He cant make 154. He knows Mayweather is too small for a cw MW fight.

Alvarez unlike Martinez HAS been fighting at 154 pounds. No one is saying Alvarez is a world beater but he is a JMW. Martinez is not.

Floyd himself is not even a real JMW. 151 pounds? Really bushbaby?

You guys whine and cry about Junior being heavy then disregard the fact that Martinez would be a SMW on fight night. Keep it real man.

Then on top of everything Alvarez-Floyd is not signed yet. And even if it is how is he ducking a 160 Pounder who hasnt fought at 154 in years, yet claims he can make the weight then calls out Cotto?

Gimme a break.

How many years does Martinez need to fight at 160 Pounds before you realize that hes a Middleweight now? After a while that weight gets hard to take off.

Floyd couldnt even get down 144. You grow into the weight man. Sergio is walking around at Cruiser weight. Why do you ignore that?

Martinez fans are using a fighter who doesnt even fight at 154 to drag Floyds name through the mud. Its sad.

If Martinez signs to fight Junior again you wont make ONE thread getting on Martinez for it.

Let me ask you this. Who is the better fighter Canelo or Chavez? .

You know the answer.

Stop trolling.

How can you knock Floyd fighting Canelo but not knock Junior for a rematch if it happens when CANELO is MUCH MUCH better than Chavez.

Makes no sense.















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A couple of facts to destroy your long ****** post.

I have said repeatedly that if Martinez fights Ward at 168 he gets destroyed.

Martinez has never fought at 168, Floyd is a 2 time champ at 154. Not the same.

Another thing, every single bull$h1t argument you gave is strictly speculation.

[Kagami Taiga]

It is the same thing because Sergio probably can't make 154 safely. I dunno why ppl act like he can. He would be compromising himself for both fights that much is clear. The only difference is one is high risk high reward and the other is high risk low reward and he has a better chance of beating the smaller mayweather. But please Martinez isnt a 154lber and if he makes the weight he will have to drain himself, there's no doubt about that.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

A couple of facts to destroy your long ****** post.

I have said repeatedly that if Martinez fights Ward at 168 he gets destroyed.

Martinez has never fought at 168, Floyd is a 2 time champ at 154. Not the same.

Another thing, every single bull$h1t argument you gave is strictly speculation.

Way to duck the post man. Unreal. This is your response?

[Bushbaby]

I'm cool with Floyd/Sergio at 154. But if Sergio can make 154 still, why can't he fight Cotto at 154.

But I'd rather see Floyd/Sergio. That is the best skills matchup in the sport, since Floyd/Ward is impossible.

It is a fact Cotto said he'd like to fight the winner of Chavez/Martinez & Martinez offered a catchweight to accommodate Cotto trying for the middleweight strap.

All is for naught anyway because Cotto won't beat Trout.

Off topic I find it funny that some people actually think ginger can beat Cotto but Trout can't.

I also find it funny that ginger says he'll fight Cotto if he beats Trout. But has never said he'd fight Trout if he beats Cotto. But since it's a fact that ginger ducked Trout before Trout fought Cotto, I know he'll never fight him if he wins.

[Bushbaby]

Way to duck the post man. Unreal. This is your response?

Of course, you bring conjecture to argue, I destroy you with facts.

[4Corners]

What's funny Bush is that you claim Cotto was drained going from 146 in his last fight to 145 against Pacquiao, when he hadn't been lower than 146 in 3 years, but then say Sergio can absolutely make 154 fine, when he hasn't been that low in 4 years this February.

And I seem to remember you insinuating that Ward-Dawson didn't have anything to do with weight, even though Dawson went down to a weight he hadn't been at in like 5-6 years.

Floyd was 32 and hadn't been to 140 in 4 years, isn't a very big WW at all, and couldn't make 144 fine and healthy, let alone 140. So why people automatically assume Sergio can make 154 fine and healthy is beyond me.

If Sergio really is a true SWW, why doesn't he leave 160 for good, and move down to 154??? Like I said, he hasn't been there in 4 years, when are people going to realize that he's a MW who comes in around 167-170 on fight night. He can make his legacy at MW. The lowest I can see him going is 157 for a Cotto fight, in all honesty.