Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – Does One Round Require a Rematch?

[kiaba360]

Yes, I believe he blew a defining moment. Because I will say it again he is a very average fighter. You want defining moments Rahman, a very average fighter, knocking out Lewis. Douglas, a fighter with underrated skills, but had no heart and that made him average in my book. His defining moment was obviously in Tokyo back in 1990. Than you have Junior. A fighter who had all the pieces put in place by his daddy and God father and when it came time to step up the plate he wasn't able to pull it off. Was it his fault? I don't think so because as I already said he is not a very good fighter and in my opinion Sergio shouldn't get all that much credit for beating him.

I think you're 100% correct, even with the last sentence. I knew it was a mismatch on paper, but part of me was hoping that Chavez would continue to improve, maybe he would show a new facet of his game. Maybe he would show us that he could consistently jab for 12 rounds, something that would require him to utilize his brain instead of his weight advantage. You know, I actually thought that he would try to fight intelligently. He said in the Face-Off that he was gonna beat Sergio with his intelligence, and I was glad to hear that. I mean come on, you'd expect a fighter to be fully prepared for the biggest fight in his career, right? However, this is what happens when you're handed your opportunities, you don't realize how under-prepared you really are for the biggest challenge. You go out there for 11 rounds and your opponent takes you to school because you were simply not READY. The first round made clear not only the size difference, but it made clear the disparity in skill. Martinez exhibited his entire skill-set and Chavez did not have the right answers. Martinez even fought on the inside and it was simply embarrassing for this big inside-fighter, who some proclaim to be one of the best body-punchers today, to get out-witted at his own game. Jr. needs to think real hard about rounds 1-11, cuz if he goes into the ring thinking he'll just be able to re-enact round 12 again, he will pay dearly.

[Frank Ducketts]

I think you're 100% correct, even with the last sentence. I knew it was a mismatch on paper, but part of me was hoping that Chavez would continue to improve, maybe he would show a new facet of his game. Maybe he would show us that he could consistently jab for 12 rounds, something that would require him to utilize his brain instead of his weight advantage. You know, I actually thought that he would try to fight intelligently. He said in the Face-Off that he was gonna beat Sergio with his intelligence, and I was glad to hear that. I mean come on, you'd expect a fighter to be fully prepared for the biggest fight in his career, right? However, this is what happens when you're handed your opportunities, you don't realize how under-prepared you really are for the biggest challenge. You go out there for 11 rounds and your opponent takes you to school because you were simply not READY. The first round made clear not only the size difference, but it made clear the disparity in skill. Martinez exhibited his entire skill-set and Chavez did not have the right answers. Martinez even fought on the inside and it was simply embarrassing for this big inside-fighter, who some proclaim to be one of the best body-punchers today, to get out-witted at his own game. Jr. needs to think real hard about rounds 1-11, cuz if he goes into the ring thinking he'll just be able to re-enact round 12 again, he will pay dearly.

The difference was speed. Speed was the difference. Until you experience fighting a faster man, you can give this type of answer that you gave. Serg was there, and he was gone. All a man can do when he's going up against speed is keep trucking. Jr kept trucking. Roach said this late in the fight. Many fights end where a guy started too late. This was no exception. Serg gets all of the credit in the world for fighting smart and the winning. Jr deserves credit also.

[Ravens Fan]

I think you're 100% correct, even with the last sentence. I knew it was a mismatch on paper, but part of me was hoping that Chavez would continue to improve, maybe he would show a new facet of his game. Maybe he would show us that he could consistently jab for 12 rounds, something that would require him to utilize his brain instead of his weight advantage. You know, I actually thought that he would try to fight intelligently. He said in the Face-Off that he was gonna beat Sergio with his intelligence, and I was glad to hear that. I mean come on, you'd expect a fighter to be fully prepared for the biggest fight in his career, right? However, this is what happens when you're handed your opportunities, you don't realize how under-prepared you really are for the biggest challenge. You go out there for 11 rounds and your opponent takes you to school because you were simply not READY. The first round made clear not only the size difference, but it made clear the disparity in skill. Martinez exhibited his entire skill-set and Chavez did not have the right answers. Martinez even fought on the inside and it was simply embarrassing for this big inside-fighter, who some proclaim to be one of the best body-punchers today, to get out-witted at his own game. Jr. needs to think real hard about rounds 1-11, cuz if he goes into the ring thinking he'll just be able to re-enact round 12 again, he will pay dearly.

If we can see it why can't so many of the other fans on the forum?

I also have a question to ask Junior's fans. Why are you on the forum making excuses for him? When in my opinion you should all be pissed off at him. And why? I watched the 24/7 show after the Ward-Dawson fight and I couldn't believe Junior's attitude and disregard for Roach and training. I posted something on the forum about and the responses I got were that it was just a show by Junior's camp to fool Sergio's camp. But, than I remembered that this was the same clown that got a DWI just two weeks before he fought Rubio.

So, it really wasn't a stretch to believe what I was watching on 24/7 to be true. And Junior is no where near good enough to be blowing any kind of training off. In my opinion he actually ripped off all his fans that paid good money to watch him get his a$$ handed to him.

And where is his humility? Because when they interviewed Junior at his house after the fight he claimed Sergio didn't beat him. As he stood there looking like he stuck his head out the sun roof of the bus as it went under a bridge on the way back to their house.

[kiaba360]

The difference was speed. Speed was the difference. Until you experience fighting a faster man, you can give this type of answer that you gave. Serg was there, and he was gone. All a man can do when he's going up against speed is keep trucking. Jr kept trucking. Roach said this late in the fight. Many fights end where a guy started too late. This was no exception. Serg gets all of the credit in the world for fighting smart and the winning. Jr deserves credit also.

So how does Chavez adjust to the speed? Cuz he's gonna have to. You almost make it sound as if it's impossible for him. Chavez needs to have his feet set to throw, and that is an integral problem of his style. He has to learn how to jab while moving, and doubling/tripling up on the jab. There's a lot of issues with Chavez, and all of them seem to stem from his lack of discipline. I don't need to have any fighting experience to see that. I'm a fan first and foremost, and if and when Chavez performs well, I give him his credit. But he seems like he doesn't want to improve, as if he's ok with the plateau that's he reached. That's fine too, but to then say that you deserve a rematch is crazy when it's obvious that you aren't putting the work in. The fact that he STILL wants to fight at MW is ridiculous to me, when it's clear that he is struggling to make the weight. I would rather see him go up to SMW so he can stop focusing on draining and focus on actually developing his skill-set.

I give Canelo a lot of shit for the opposition he faces, but at least he seems really dedicated to his craft, Chavez seems to lack that intrinsic motivation. He says he's motivated but I don't see it.

[Frank Ducketts]

So how does Chavez adjust to the speed? Cuz he's gonna have to. You almost make it sound as if it's impossible for him. Chavez needs to have his feet set to throw, and that is an integral problem of his style. He has to learn how to jab while moving, and doubling/tripling up on the jab.

Good question. Sr said it best. Don't set your feet to punch all of the time, and throw any straight,hard shot while following or cutting the ring off. While Jr was losing...during rounds he was landing hard shots, but so few which is a credit to Serg who took the shot and gave Jr effective and clear counter material.

Now with that said, if Jr comes forward it doesnt guarantee a win. It could leave Jr open. You saw what Serg did to P Willy. If there is a rematch...I expect Jr to use effective aggression, and I expect Serg to exploit Jrs aggression. Who wins? I wont pick a winner.

[Frank Ducketts]

Everybody knew what would happen supposedly. What's the big uproar. Jr knocking him down? Yeah, too much credit given to Jr. All you have to say is Serg won. Funny thing happened on Sergs way toward his domination. He was put down and hurt. But Serg lasted. True champs usually do.

[Mr. Philadel]

^^^^^^^^ some good posts up there