Originally posted by chloelloyd
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Who are you rooting for. And Why. Sergio or Chavez
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i like junior. he's a tough kid. i think he's trying his best to break away from being a "junior." of course the money you get for being his father's son is probably not something he'd like to move away from
i'm rooting for maravilla martinez. it's a no brainer for me. i like basically everything martinez does. martinez fought his way to america the hard way, by toiling in obscurity in spain after losing to margarito in a fight that his people took way too soon. he fought a four rounder in '06.
on top of all that, he's had one of the most exciting styles in boxing in the past few years. he's kept the lineage of the middleweight title in the hands of a worthy champion. he's a hard worker in the gym, and he's physically very tough. you can make the argument that he's undefeated since his fight with margarito. it was a close fight, but i had him beating williams in their first go, a legit classic.
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Originally posted by Brother Jay View PostYou have made a good effort in stating your case, but still the facts haven't changed.
Take Pavlik and Williams off of Sergio's resume and has no way of making a case for being on any P4P list EVER.
What's worse is the fact that going into the fight against Williams, Williams had already been exposed by Quintana.
Going into the fight against Pavlik, Kelly was an alcoholic who was trying to make a comeback due to his being dominated by BHOP.
Neither man was at their best, and both were questionable commodities at the point when Sergio faced them.
Yet, they are the very wins that have elevated Sergio to stardom. Both fights were back in 2010. That's two years ago.
Since then Sergio has fought two C-fighters who literally gave him hell and made it to the 11th round. Sergio's own camp has expressed concern over his ability or lack thereof to compete at the highest levels.
I'll give you Dzinzuruk. He was a champion and his rank justified a showdown. But outside of that Martinez does not even deserve to be on the P4P list period. He's riding the fumes from his KO win over Williams and has been for 2 years.
I'm not saying the man can't fight or doesn't have talent or admirable attributes. I am saying that he hasn't done anything noteworthy before or after 2010.
That's a fact.
I'm in no way implying that Jr is more accomplished, but at least Chavez jr is young and has his career ahead of him while Martinez is at the end of his.
Martinez' story has been told. Out of 53 fights, people only care about 2 of them. Not to mention he was previously knocked out by the limited, forward-plodding Antonio Margarito.
He's just not what you're making a case for.
Still, I enjoyed reading your post.
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I had no preference until Jr. started saying Martinez would never be famous etc on 24/7. Martinez came from nothing while Chavez had a silver spoon.
I actually prefer Chavez's fighting style but would not be unhappy to see SM win.
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I like both...I do not like Chavez's work ethic but I would rather see Chavez win...he will have the longer career...and it does more for boxing...
Sergio will most likely win but all it does is set up fantasy fights Sergio won't get or fight.
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