Where do you rank Harry Greb?

[Larry the boss]

But you've seen Manny Pacquiao fight numerous times and you still cannot give him his props and due respects.
Theres Mannys fight videos on youtube.com . What does that say about you?


So going by your logic, its clear that:

1) Fight footage is of no meaning to you, you dont care about it when judging a boxers qualities, attributes, skills, greatness or strengths.

2) You are not a fan of boxing , more so of a BOXER ( mayweather jr )

3) Your dismissal of the late harry grebs boxing prowess based upon 'no fight footage' is a fallacy according to your own logic, which leads to the conclusion that:

-you are dismissing harry greb due to something other than what you claim is the reason for his dismissal ( lack of fight footage, nobody has seen him fight )

-your presented argument is based on something other than facts or supported data. You do not talk about resumes, skills, feats of accomplishments or any type of qualitative or quantitative data.

-instead it is carried upon what appears to be some sort of contaminated view of harry greb due to your own misjudgements, lack of boxing awareness or consciousness, a pretence of being a boxing diety that is based upon a unstructured engine of thought and basis of an argument that appears to be beyond your own cognition. Basically it means: you dont know what you are talking about.




Let me present this to you Larryx:




Six-time Kentucky State Golden Gloves Champion
1959 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Jeff Davis
1959 Intercity Golden Gloves Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Tony Madigan
1960 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Heavyweight Champion vs. Jimmy Jones
1960 Intercity Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion vs. Gary Jawish
1959 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Johnny Powell
1960 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Jeff Davis
1960 Olympic Light Heavyweight Gold Medalist in Rome, Italy.



Thats Muhammad Alis ( then cassius clay ) Amatuer career achievments. There exist little footage of his Amatuer fight record. (over 100 or so).

If we are to STRICTLY and ONLY judge Alis amatuer career , according to YOU and YOUR LOGIC , Muhammad Ali should not fair well against the current light heavy weight olympic champion , Egor Mekhontcev ( whom we have footage on and who just fought in the 2012 olympics)

Your answer should be that Egor beats the p1ss out of Muhammad ali, amirite?

Since hardly anybody saw Ali fight as an amatuer and everyone just saw Egor Mekhontcev fight, how can any SANE person believe Egor would lose to Muhammad Ali in the amatuers... amirite?

Who cares about stats, resumes, accounts of historians, accounts of fighters them selves who saw him and may have faced him, newspaper clippings and anything else. No fight footage means in the amatuers...Egor tapps Ali's ass ...violently

These oldtimers and their nonsense huh...?! tut tut @ oldtimers...

I have seen Ali fight.........have you seen Greb fight??? ill take a little footage over 0 any day.....

[Doctor_Tenma]

But you've seen Manny Pacquiao fight numerous times and you still cannot give him his props and due respects.
Theres Mannys fight videos on youtube.com . What does that say about you?


So going by your logic, its clear that:

1) Fight footage is of no meaning to you, you dont care about it when judging a boxers qualities, attributes, skills, greatness or strengths.

2) You are not a fan of boxing , more so of a BOXER ( mayweather jr )

3) Your dismissal of the late harry grebs boxing prowess based upon 'no fight footage' is a fallacy according to your own logic, which leads to the conclusion that:

-you are dismissing harry greb due to something other than what you claim is the reason for his dismissal ( lack of fight footage, nobody has seen him fight )

-your presented argument is based on something other than facts or supported data. You do not talk about resumes, skills, feats of accomplishments or any type of qualitative or quantitative data.

-instead it is carried upon what appears to be some sort of contaminated view of harry greb due to your own misjudgements, lack of boxing awareness or consciousness, a pretence of being a boxing diety that is based upon a unstructured engine of thought and basis of an argument that appears to be beyond your own cognition. Basically it means: you dont know what you are talking about.




Let me present this to you Larryx:




Six-time Kentucky State Golden Gloves Champion
1959 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Jeff Davis
1959 Intercity Golden Gloves Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Tony Madigan
1960 Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions Heavyweight Champion vs. Jimmy Jones
1960 Intercity Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion vs. Gary Jawish
1959 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Johnny Powell
1960 National AAU Light Heavyweight Champion vs. Jeff Davis
1960 Olympic Light Heavyweight Gold Medalist in Rome, Italy.



Thats Muhammad Alis ( then cassius clay ) Amatuer career achievments. There exist little footage of his Amatuer fight record. (over 100 or so).

If we are to STRICTLY and ONLY judge Alis amatuer career , according to YOU and YOUR LOGIC , Muhammad Ali should not fair well against the current light heavy weight olympic champion , Egor Mekhontcev ( whom we have footage on and who just fought in the 2012 olympics)

Your answer should be that Egor beats the p1ss out of Muhammad ali, amirite?

Since hardly anybody saw Ali fight as an amatuer and everyone just saw Egor Mekhontcev fight, how can any SANE person believe Egor would lose to Muhammad Ali in the amatuers... amirite?

Who cares about stats, resumes, accounts of historians, accounts of fighters them selves who saw him and may have faced him, newspaper clippings and anything else. No fight footage means in the amatuers...Egor tapps Ali's ass ...violently

These oldtimers and their nonsense huh...?! tut tut @ oldtimers...

Seriously man, you gonna act like no fight footage of the guy isn't a serious issue?

[Larry the boss]

Seriously though that sparring session better have been some joke, it only strengthens my opinion on fighters who are ranked highly all time with no footage of them. Resume can't be the only means of ranking, one has to analyze that fighter's skill or whether he dominated or not and I'm not talking scorecards.

Of course they brush it off as a joke,i have to go by what i see and what i saw was hilarious...how they rank someone so high when they havent ever seen them fight is laughable.then they insult you for not agreeing

[Larry the boss]

Seriously man, you gonna act like no fight footage of the guy isn't a serious issue?

Yea and say im not a boxing fan cause i cant back up someone ive never seen fight...hell no 1 on here knows anymore about this guy then i do,NO 1 can provide not even 1 round of fight footage of him no 1

[Kagami Taiga]

I try to stay away from the discussion of what having no footage means. I agree with points from both sides and to me, that's exactly why I rate ali the goat. But to say Greb doesn't have an argument is not fair.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I try to stay away from the discussion of what having no footage means. I agree with points from both sides and to me, that's exactly why I rate ali the goat. But to say Greb doesn't have an argument is not fair.

Same here man, same here.

[AntonTheMeh]

#2 IMO.

Lowest #3.

yep.....

I'll take the words of men like dempsey, tunney, walker, over the perceptions of posters here in regarded to the fighter he was.

He was never in one spot for more than half a second, all my punches were aimed and timed properly but they always wound up hitting empty air. He'd jump in and out, slamming me with a left and whirling me around with his right or the other way around. My arms were plastered with leather and although I jabbed, hooked and crossed, it was like fighting an octopus.
– Gene Tunney

"He could hit from impossible angles. Once, after Harry missed a right to my face, he spun all the way around so that his back faced me. I relaxed my guard and waited for him to turn around. But before I knew what was happening, his left was stuck in my mouth. I still don't know how he did it, but he hit me while his hands faced in the opposite direction."
– Mickey Walker

The fastest fighter I ever saw. Hell. Greb is faster than Benny Leonard.
– Jack Dempsey

[Alx.]

greb # 3 p4p atg, haters gonna hate

[Alx.]

yep.....

I'll take the words of men like dempsey, tunney, walker, over the perceptions of posters here.

agree, boxing experts and people who actually faced him in the ring > ******ed biased boxingscene posters

[D4thincarnation]

Definitely top 5

The class of fighters he fought and beat are only matched by a couple others in the sport.