Comments Thread For: Klitschko-Wach Negotiations Intensify For The Fall

[Tiozzo]

Wach is absolutely terrible. TERRIBLE. Needed six rounds to get rid of Tye Fields...and is still fighting that level foe 27 in. One of the worst Heavyweight title matches since like Holmes-Rodriguez (in terms of the BIG title) if they make it.

you don't have to go that far back

you just have to look at the Mormeck fight

[Tiozzo]

Well, Mariusz Wach isn't as bad as some people are saying. Mariusz had a long amateur career and has good fundamental skills. He's never been knocked down, either as an amateur or as a pro.

Wach is slow, but he has power so when he does land his opponents get hurt. He's 1" taller than Wlad and has 3" longer arms.

Wladimir should outbox him easily enough, but there will be a real chance of Mariusz landing something big.

when Moorer picked up Wach to train him, he said Wach was an ABSOLUTE MESS

[crold1]

I also see where you're coming from, my friend. Early in Wach's career I thought he was a complete joke, but when he fought Gavern, Fields and Mcbride. He seemed to have solid fundamentals, a decent jab, and for being awkward and on the slower side, he puts combinations together okay. He has a solid chin as well that dates back to the amateurs. He had a long amateur career. So, it's not like he doesn't have skills. But, I do see where you're coming from.

But, the main heavyweight prospect I have my eye on at the moment, is someone who's flown under the radar and seems to be avoided, he's big, a southpaw, has very fast hands, has good power, and is probably one of the best combination punchers among the "super" heavyweights, and that's the Cuban Luis Ortiz. This guy is very good. And the only downfall is that he's already 33 at 16-0 (13KO's). But nonetheless, he's very good IMO. He had a very long, and solid amateur career. He's gotten little to no attention from the media, and has only had one televised fight I believe, and one lives treamed fight. If you haven't already seen him Cliff, I'd check him out.

Fields? McBride? You're basically saying he has improved at working the heavy bag (and I'm not sure Fields qualifies as even that). I'll check out Ortiz. If he defects and doesn't turn into a sloth (Solis), might be worth something in the pros.

[ShoulderRoll]

Ugh. Awful fight.

[SN!PER]

The optimist in me hopes that Wach's size makes Wlad uncomfortable. He can't hold and lean down on him, for one thing. Wach needs to push Wlad around, jab the hell out of him with his 82" reach, get Wlad moving backwards. I don't know if Wach has the firepower. So many big guys struggle to throw basic combinations.

[Mike Tyson77]

Wlad would be the smaller guy for once, this is interesting.

Wlad wins by late KO or wide UD. . .

[joe strong]

I also see where you're coming from, my friend. Early in Wach's career I thought he was a complete joke, but when he fought Gavern, Fields and Mcbride. He seemed to have solid fundamentals, a decent jab, and for being awkward and on the slower side, he puts combinations together okay. He has a solid chin as well that dates back to the amateurs. He had a long amateur career. So, it's not like he doesn't have skills. But, I do see where you're coming from.

But, the main heavyweight prospect I have my eye on at the moment, is someone who's flown under the radar and seems to be avoided, he's big, a southpaw, has very fast hands, has good power, and is probably one of the best combination punchers among the "super" heavyweights, and that's the Cuban Luis Ortiz. This guy is very good. And the only downfall is that he's already 33 at 16-0 (13KO's). But nonetheless, he's very good IMO. He had a very long, and solid amateur career. He's gotten little to no attention from the media, and has only had one televised fight I believe, and one lives treamed fight. If you haven't already seen him Cliff, I'd check him out.

ortiz is a relative unknown but has a few recognized names on his resume. i'd like to see more of him.

[joe strong]

wach is big but do you really think he is ready? he has the WBC international & WBC baltic regional belts giving him #4 WBC but he is not rated in any other top 10 because he hasn't beaten anyone yet. he has wins over gavern & tye fields but those are C+ fighters. he should take a few more fights before he goes for a title. he needs to fight a B level guy at least. he should fight michael grant, fres oquendo, kingpin, mccall, chisora, austin or monte barrett. he needs some experience vs better competition. i don't think beating tye fields or gavern puts you in a position to have a chance of beating a klitschko. there are too many protected fighters & greedy promoters who are only looking out for themselves & not their fighter's best interests. the one guy who i think is being brought along properly is tyson fury. he's fought some solid journeymen(firtha, pajkic,mcdermott, rogan, maddalone) & has a win over dereck chisora. there in no rush with him but he is at least making progress. wach has many more fights but his resume is full of nobodies other then gavern & fields. mcbride is C level. wach will get schooled hard by wladimir. i would be shocked if it lasted 12 rounds.

[WesleySnipes]

but sorry guys what did Wach do to get an title fight? i mean he fought just straight up bums ...not known bums at that...is he even rated by any of the organizations in the top 50 or something?

[King of Anal]

Wach should fight haye.

I'd be in the woods to hear that tree drop.. Wach would get anally gaped