List of HBO ratings for 2011 and 2012

[Light_Speed]

Quick question, In dont mean to ask a silly question...but what is the difference between B.A.D. and HBO Championship Boxing?

I always figured that "Championship Boxing" always involved a title. I see that some of these fights were title fights, but is still labeled as a B.A.D. card.

Is it based on popularity? Just need a bit of clarity, that's all...

Yeah B.A.D. is for up and comers or lesser known fighters.

[Kagami Taiga]

ever heard of chavez sr? He did the same thing as have many other mexicans who had no amature background. This is common in mexico do I fking have to teach you everything?

lmao. smh. no ur not teaching me anything. ur proving how ignorant u are. comparing jr at 26 to sr at 26. by the time he was 26, sr har already beaten roger mayweather, rocky lockridge, juan laporte. yea, thats totally comparable to andy frikkin lee. lmao, i know more about your hero than u do. smh.


and even then, sr was never a ppv mega star. smh. just stop. go worship jr all u want, but dont claim things that are out of his reach. hes not that good. hes fun to watch. thats about it.

[apocalypto]

lmao. smh. no ur not teaching me anything. ur proving how ignorant u are. comparing jr at 26 to sr at 26. by the time he was 26, sr har already beaten roger mayweather, rocky lockridge, juan laporte. yea, thats totally comparable to andy frikkin lee. lmao, i know more about your hero than u do. smh.


and even then, sr was never a ppv mega star. smh. just stop. go worship jr all u want, but dont claim things that are out of his reach. hes not that good. hes fun to watch. thats about it.

You fcking ****** im not comparing their age im comparing the number of fights. quit pulling for straws. If your ******ed cant do a simple thing like read then there is not point of talking to your dumb ass. :wt:

[Kagami Taiga]

You fcking ****** im not comparing their age im comparing the number of fights. quit pulling for straws. If your ******ed cant do a simple thing like read then there is not point of talking to your dumb ass. :wt:

my comment wasnt about the number of fights. it was about the quality of those fights. but u wanna talk about someone who cant read. ur calling names but ur making yourself look ignorant. i can do this all nite. lol. chavez jr a ppv star? lmao. keep wishing kid.

[apocalypto]

my comment wasnt about the number of fights. it was about the quality of those fights. but u wanna talk about someone who cant read. ur calling names but ur making yourself look ignorant. i can do this all nite. lol. chavez jr a ppv star? lmao. keep wishing kid.

did your ******ed ass not say having 40 plus wins? if thats not a number I dont know what is

[Kagami Taiga]

did your ******ed ass not say having 40 plus wins? if thats not a number I dont know what is

that wasnt the point of my argument. smh. lmao. seriously, reading comprehension will do u a bit of good. u aint doing to well. 40 wins and his best win is andy lee. idc about the 40 wins. what im referring to is the fact that his best win is andy lee. did i dumb it down enough for u???

[apocalypto]

that wasnt the point of my argument. smh. lmao. seriously, reading comprehension will do u a bit of good. u aint doing to well. 40 wins and his best win is andy lee. idc about the 40 wins. what im referring to is the fact that his best win is andy lee. did i dumb it down enough for u???

And do you not understand the refrence to his daddy having the same number of fights and having fought no one. You must think chavez sr was a joke too.

[Light_Speed]

And do you not understand the refrence to his daddy having the same number of fights and having fought no one. You must think chavez sr was a joke too.

Difference is Chavez Sr wasn't headlining on HBO when he had 40 fights with no elite win. He fought bums but he wasn't wasting people's time and money.

[warp1432]

all of these numbers are down from 4-5 years ago, so i wouldnt call any of these numberes astronomical. back then if u had 1.6 million or less it was considered bad.

in 2007 calzaghe vs kessler was the worst hbo boxing ratings ever at the time with 1.59 million viewers.

Where did you get the 1.59 million from? Here is a Thomas Hauser quote about the fight in 2007

"By way of example; the network poured a $3,000,000 license fee plus another seven figures for marketing and production into Joe Calzaghe versus Mikkel Kessler, which garnered a 2.8 rating (the lowest prime-time HBO World Championship Boxing rating ever). But that shouldn’t have surprised anyone. The live afternoon telecast of Calzaghe against Peter Manfredo earlier in the year came in at 1.4"

If Broner's fight was 3.4 and then that translated into 1.4 million people, then there is no way a 2.8 is 1.59. The network also spent 3 million on that fight, which was a huge problem in Greenburg's era.

Numbers are down most likely, but how much, I don't know.

That people are watching boxing recorded on DVR isn't stressing me out as much as not being able to compare rating numbers from different years. Before 2011, all the numbers I'm finding were reported as simply live viewers. For example, in 2010, Devon Alexander vs Kotelnik did 1.057 million live viewers, Malignaggi vs Khan did 1.228 million live viewers , Williams vs Cintron did 1.16 million live viewers, and Pavlik vs Martinez did 1.2 million live viewers. Here's a link to a compilation someone did and where I got the numbers, but I'm pretty sure they were all taken from the boxingtruth website where Chavez reported them as simply live viewers.

All those 2010 numbers don't have the benefit of having the DVR numbers on them. If the 920k live viewers figure for Canelo vs Hatton is correct, what does it say that freaking Alexander vs Kotelnik had more live viewers (1.057 million) in 2010 than one of today's biggest draws?

There's a possibility that the 920k number was incorrect and there usually really isn't that big of a difference between live and live + same day. There's also the possibility that John Chavez was really reporting the the live + same day all along in 2010, but didn't realize it. I don't know.

I don't know either. Ratings had dropped, but in 2010 and 2011 they were picking back up. Greenburg was making smarter decisions on the types of fights he was buying and was spending less.

He still made some giant mistakes like losing Pacquiao to Showtime and paying Alexander 1.2 million for a fight that did only 952k in viewership.

Chavez's main point was that HBO was beefing up the ratings when really they weren't. You bring up a good point about "What does it say about today's stars" but keep in mind the + same day was added for a reason.

I didn't really touch on this, but hopefully the ratings will pick back up with Hershman. I'm not sure how he plans to do that or if that's even a major goal of his, but hopefully it is.

Right now, the numbers are similar to the last couple of years though.

[Light_Speed]

Where did you get the 1.59 million from?

http://bit.ly/MgvHBO

in 2007, there was much fuss made about the 168-pound match-up between Joe Calzaghe and Mikkel Kessler drawing the lowest rating figure for a HBO WCB broadcast ever. What was the live viewership you might ask? 1.591 million live viewers. So in merely 3 years, the highest rated WCB broadcast of 2010 is virtually on par with the lowest rated broadcast of 2007.