Ali, best fighter ever?

[Brother Mouzone]

1. sugar ray robinson
2. joe louis
3. muhammad ali

[Cockyb]

How can ANYONE say either Ali or Robinson were overrated!!!!???

they are p4p da 2 best EVER!

arguments wil be made about whos number 1 p4p forever but almost every1 will agree dat both of these two deserve dat accolade!

and da fact dat Ali got vast amounts of TV coverage and stil does, whereas robinson fights r in blak n white and da average person wont know too much abuot robinson! this makes ppl think ali was beter dan robinson as dey havnt heard about wa robinson achieved as a boxer!

safe

[Oasis_Lad]

Best Boxer Ever Yes
Best Fighter No

[leff]

p4p id say robinson, but i think ali is one of the 3 hardest to beat head to head if you include all fighters

[Sephus]

How can ANYONE say either Ali or Robinson were overrated!!!!???

they are p4p da 2 best EVER!

arguments wil be made about whos number 1 p4p forever but almost every1 will agree dat both of these two deserve dat accolade!

and da fact dat Ali got vast amounts of TV coverage and stil does, whereas robinson fights r in blak n white and da average person wont know too much abuot robinson! this makes ppl think ali was beter dan robinson as dey havnt heard about wa robinson achieved as a boxer!

safe

Good point! I have to piggy back on that! Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Ali fan, and I do believe he was one of the best to ever step into the ring, but I think he gets a little extra respect because of his actions outside of the ring! He was willing to stand up for what he believed in, and people respect him for it! And after a three years exile, he came back and still did his thing! I think Robinson is the best P4P, but Ali was a greater champion!

[butterfly1964]

yeah.. lets look at the facts for just a moment butterfly

As an amateur, his record (officially) includes 85 straight wins, 69 knockouts (40 of those in the 1st round)

he has more knockouts than most champions ever have fights in their careers (108 kos BTW)

he was never actually KO'ed in his 25 year career.

No one ever beat Robinson twice until he was 40 years old. If you gave him a rematch, you lost. He learned you.


but yeah, that's the most intellegent statement you've ever made on this board, Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated... you really need to brush up on your history with an ignorant comment like that. Robinson put technique into a then simply "barbaric" sport.

i mean, you of all people should know, Muhammad Ali crafted his style from Sugar Ray Robinson!



*shakes head in disgust*

The name "Sugar Ray Robinson" and the word "overrated" should never be uttered in the same sentence

robinson lost 19 fights out of 200. ali lost 5 out of 61.that translates to ali losing 16 or 17 out of 200, not 19. ali fought his last 4 fights with parkinsons and lost 3 of them, so his only real loses were the frazier and norton ones. ali had a three year layoff, robinson didn't. robinson fought alot more fights, therefore he was always in good condition into his forties, if ali fought that many fights, his physical condition would be the same or better. robinson ducked burley, moore and turpin to fight slow bumbling idiots like fullmer and lamotta, who still beat him. ali never lost to a slow hard-punching doofis in his whole career. ali lost to frazier, bob and weave, quick strong and cut-off the ring well. norton trained at least 4 or 5 years just to fight ali,plus he punched like a ton of bricks. ali was old when he fought spinks, didn't train, had parkinsons and spinks was a gold medalist in the olympics. holmes is a top 3 hw of all time, berbick was a future hw champ, had some skills, ali was near 40 and weighed 235, 52lbs. more than on his pro debut. ali didn't lose till he was 29, plus he had a layoff. robinson lost at 22 to slow lamotta. like i said robinson is still the greatest middleweight, but he's overrated cause everyone says p4p he's the best, which is just not true. i have him p4p number 4 under ali, jones jr., and gans. having a long career fighting mostly nobodies does not make you p4p the best. people like joe gans, roy jones, and ali fought anybody they could get their hands on and beat them. robinson's motives were calculated in piling up victories but against who? just something to think about IMO!

[restless_438]

robinson lost at 22 to slow lamotta. like i said robinson is still the greatest middleweight, but he's overrated cause everyone says p4p he's the best, which is just not true. i have him p4p number 4 under ali, jones jr., and gans. having a long career fighting mostly nobodies does not make you p4p the best. people like joe gans, roy jones, and ali fought anybody they could get their hands on and beat them. robinson's motives were calculated in piling up victories but against who? just something to think about IMO!

Firstly, i've never taken anything away from Muhammad Ali. He's one of the best ever.

Now, sure Robinson lost to LaMotta, after his 40th straight win without a previous loss! All six of Robinson's fights with Jake LaMotta were very close. Did you know he fought a guy named Jackie Wilson 14 days after the loss, won, then fought LaMotta again after fighting him just 3 WEEKS PRIOR and beat him? Did Ali ever do anything of the sort? I didn't think so.

Fighting mostly nobodies? You must be ignorant. Any knowing boxing historian will tell you that he would always fight top-level opponents. Robinson spent most of his prime and there after "searching" for opponents. They usually couldn't find capable opponents for him. If you think Robinson is considered the best ever simply due to his record, again, you seriously need to pick up a history book. Judging by the WALL of Ali pictures you have in your signature (and your avatar), you're obviously an Ali-biased fan so there's no point in arguing with you. If you really knew much about Muhammad Ali, again, you'd realize that Ali IDOLIZED the man. Sure Ali was one of the greats, but if you're trying to say he's the best boxer of all-time, in any weight-class, #1?, your mistaken.

[blockhead]

four words. o ver ra ted!

who is overrated,ali?

[blockhead]

1. sugar ray robinson
2. joe louis
3. muhammad ali

and the correct answer is shemmue's. good post.

[butterfly1964]

Firstly, i've never taken anything away from Muhammad Ali. He's one of the best ever.

Now, sure Robinson lost to LaMotta, after his 40th straight win without a previous loss! All six of Robinson's fights with Jake LaMotta were very close. Did you know he fought a guy named Jackie Wilson 14 days after the loss, won, then fought LaMotta again after fighting him just 3 WEEKS PRIOR and beat him? Did Ali ever do anything of the sort? I didn't think so.

Fighting mostly nobodies? You must be ignorant. Any knowing boxing historian will tell you that he would always fight top-level opponents. Robinson spent most of his prime and there after "searching" for opponents. They usually couldn't find capable opponents for him. If you think Robinson is considered the best ever simply due to his record, again, you seriously need to pick up a history book. Judging by the WALL of Ali pictures you have in your signature (and your avatar), you're obviously an Ali-biased fan so there's no point in arguing with you. If you really knew much about Muhammad Ali, again, you'd realize that Ali IDOLIZED the man. Sure Ali was one of the greats, but if you're trying to say he's the best boxer of all-time, in any weight-class, #1?, your mistaken.

well, if he was "searching" as you say, then how come he couldn't "find" turpin, burley, and moore?