I love Ali. He is one of the biggest influences of my lifetime.
Technically though he was a nightmare. He got by with a lot of flaws in his style because of speed and athleticism. Great fighter and the biggest star the sport has ever seen but.....
The best fighter I ever saw...live or on film was Ray Robinson.
He didn't stop Fraizer. Fraizer was exhausted by the end of that fight, and it's said that had he gotten up for the 15th Ali wouldn't have come out...
I'd just like to note that all the people voting yes are either new people-- meaning they probably know very little-- and nuthuggers...
ali stopped fraizer
ali said, he couldnt imagine how he would have gotten past the next round he was so tired, but he was going to go out if he needed to.
by the way, i would like to formally apologize for voting yes on this poll, for i had thought that it was about best hw's, not best overall fighters
my mistake
yeah.. lets look at the facts for just a moment butterfly
As an amateur, his record (officially) includes 85 straight wins, 69 knockouts (40 of those in the 1st round)
he has more knockouts than most champions ever have fights in their careers (108 kos BTW)
he was never actually KO'ed in his 25 year career.
No one ever beat Robinson twice until he was 40 years old. If you gave him a rematch, you lost. He learned you.
but yeah, that's the most intellegent statement you've ever made on this board, Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated... you really need to brush up on your history with an ignorant comment like that. Robinson put technique into a then simply "barbaric" sport.
i mean, you of all people should know, Muhammad Ali crafted his style from Sugar Ray Robinson!
*shakes head in disgust*
The name "Sugar Ray Robinson" and the word "overrated" should never be uttered in the same sentence
Last edited by restless_438; 12-14-2005, 01:25 AM.
yeah.. lets look at the facts for just a moment butterfly
As an amateur, his record (officially) includes 85 straight wins, 69 knockouts (40 of those in the 1st round)
he has more knockouts than most champions ever have fights in their careers (108 kos BTW)
he was never actually KO'ed in his 25 year career.
but yeah, that's the most intellegent statement you've ever made on this board, Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated... you really need to brush up on your history with an ignorant comment like that.
i mean, you of all people should know, Muhammad Ali crafted his style from Sugar Ray Robinson!
*shakes head in disgust*
He beat 12 hall of famers as well, and beat Willie Pepp as a amateur with EASE...
yeah.. lets look at the facts for just a moment butterfly
As an amateur, his record (officially) includes 85 straight wins, 69 knockouts (40 of those in the 1st round)
he has more knockouts than most champions ever have fights in their careers (108 kos BTW)
he was never actually KO'ed in his 25 year career.
No one ever beat Robinson twice until he was 40 years old. If you gave him a rematch, you lost. He learned you.
but yeah, that's the most intellegent statement you've ever made on this board, Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated... you really need to brush up on your history with an ignorant comment like that. Robinson put technique into a then simply "barbaric" sport.
i mean, you of all people should know, Muhammad Ali crafted his style from Sugar Ray Robinson!
*shakes head in disgust*
The name "Sugar Ray Robinson" and the word "overrated" should never be uttered in the same sentence
How about: "anyone who thinks sugar ray robinson is overrated is an either an idiot, uneducated or extremly biased"
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