Khan vs Garcia to be for The RING Championship

[hatershate]

It could be argued that the Ring shouldn't have dropped Peterson or Bradley from its ratings. Bradley had a fight at 147, but never announced his intention to stay there.

Although, it could also be argued that The Ring made the right call here. If Bradley isn't in the division and Peterson is suspended, then the 1 vs 2 would be for the belt and that's Garcia and Khan...

According to Cameron Dunkin, Bradley’s manager, “Tim told me, ‘I'm going to hold onto the 147-pound belt.’ He said, ‘That's the title I just won and that's where the good names are -- Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather. That's where I'm going to keep my belt.’”

Dunkin added, “Timmy wants to keep the 147 belt because that's where the action is. Even though he is the best 140-pounder in the world, he can't keep both belts, so he made the decision to stay at 147.”

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[Kagami Taiga]

I'm going to play devil's advocate just because I think it's an interesting debate. Let's focus on Garcia at #2 vs Matthysse being ranked lower.

Does a guy with wins over Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, and Erik Morales deserved to be ranked over a guy with wins over Humberto Soto and Vivan Harris? Keep in mind, official wins.

I agree with your point about Khan coming off a loss and about Bradley. They didn't remove Mayweather from 147 when he jumped to 154, but removed Huck and Bradley so they could fill belts.

You do realize that Soto doesn't have a quality win at 140, right? Soto, while not as far gone as Holt and Campbell, was probably around Erik Morales in terms of quality. I would pick Morales over Soto to be honest.

And The Ring should always respect the official decision. That's what makes me so outraged at this new staff. Nigel Collins and his bunch would have never jumped the gun in order to have more belts filled.

and u would be foolish. he is shot. and he doesnt really have a quality win at the weight either. they are all shot including morales. ppl like seeing morales' name and he had a belt but lets be honest, he has been shot for years.

and i dont rate soto highly, but hes still a better win then each of those guys, hes still the fresher fighter and even ignoring that, how fair is it to pick and choose which official decisions u should follow? u dont follow khans but u follow those against mathyesse? it doesnt add up.

[warp1432]

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That's just for sanctioning bodies though. Under the old ring policies, fighters could be in two different weight classes.

Floyd Mayweather has been ranked at 47 and 54 at the same time, same with Joe Calzaghe. They would respect the fighters' decision for a while and then when it came to if it's been a year, they would ask them to vacate one or remove them if they havent fought at that weight class.

If this was the old ring, they would have asked Bradley and Huck if they had intentions to come back to 140 or 200 in the year and would have respected the fighters' decisions.

If both fighters said they were coming back in their next fight, the belts wouldn't have been filled.

[DoktorSleepless]

Bradley already vacated his WBO 140 belt to keep his new WBO 147 belt. I think that makes it clear he's moving to 147 so I think that's fair enough.

The main problem is that Ring is punishing fighters for taking risks. Maidana for example took risky fights with Khan and Alexander, but since he lost, ring moved him down way too much. Meanwhile Garcia can cruise up the ladder without doing anything because the others guys are fighting each other and of course one of them has to lose. The same sort of thing happened with Vanes that he somehow ended up ranked extremely high without doing much.

Their robbery policy also seems incoherent. Sometimes they acknowledge it, but sometimes they don't. Pacquiao is the obvious example, but one that nobody talked about is what happened with Proksa. Kerry Hope officially beat Proksa, but ring kept Proksa in the top 10 and didn't bother to put Hope on the list. And I'm not even sure the first Proksa/Hope fight even counts as a robbery. That was a close fight.

Also, having close fights with highly rated guys should also count for a lot more than what ring guys seem to give credit for. Having close fights with Alexander and Judah is worth way more than beating Morales.

[warp1432]

and u would be foolish. he is shot. and he doesnt really have a quality win at the weight either. they are all shot including morales. ppl like seeing morales' name and he had a belt but lets be honest, he has been shot for years.

He has, but he did well against Maidana and not too bad against Garcia. The years off from the Pacquiao fight helped him. He's not as bad as he appeared to be when he fought Diaz.

He still needs to retire, but I wouldn't say Soto is fresh either.

and i dont rate soto highly, but hes still a better win then each of those guys, hes still the fresher fighter and even ignoring that, how fair is it to pick and choose which official decisions u should follow? u dont follow khans but u follow those against mathyesse? it doesnt add up.

I'm not ignoring Khan's decision. When Khan lost to Peterson, Khan deserved to be ranked #3. If Peterson gets suspended though because of PED usage, then he should be removed from the rankings.

That would make Khan #2 and then Bradley-Khan would be for the belt. In this case since Bradley isn't ranked, then the one and two would be Khan-Garcia.

The actual rankings make sense, it's just ****ty they rushed things.

[Kagami Taiga]

He has, but he did well against Maidana and not too bad against Garcia. The years off from the Pacquiao fight helped him. He's not as bad as he appeared to be when he fought Diaz.

He still needs to retire, but I wouldn't say Soto is fresh either.



I'm not ignoring Khan's decision. When Khan lost to Peterson, Khan deserved to be ranked #3. If Peterson gets suspended though because of PED usage, then he should be removed from the rankings.

That would make Khan #2 and then Bradley-Khan would be for the belt. In this case since Bradley isn't ranked, then the one and two would be Khan-Garcia.

The actual rankings make sense, it's just ****ty they rushed things.

how does khan deserve to be ranked #3 with garcia behind him at #4? khan was ranked #3 after losing to peterson eventhough mathysse lost to two higher ranked fighters in questionable decisions and was still moved down and never adequately moved up? it doenst make sense. i dont see how anyone thinks it does.

and as far as the morales thing, he did well against maidana and looked shot against garcia. he didnt look good in that fight. like i said, hes shot and hes not a quality win for anyone.

[warp1432]

how does khan deserve to be ranked #3 with garcia behind him at #4? khan was ranked #3 after losing to peterson eventhough mathysse lost to two higher ranked fighters in questionable decisions and was still moved down and never adequately moved up? it doenst make sense. i dont see how anyone thinks it does.

and as far as the morales thing, he did well against maidana and looked shot against garcia. he didnt look good in that fight. like i said, hes shot and hes not a quality win for anyone.

Khan deserves to be rank #3 because he's the third best in the division? Plus his resume is a lot better than Matthysse's is.

If you were to make a top ten of the division, what would it look like? Matthysse lost to Judah and Alexander and I'm not necessarily sure just because he has faced that level of competition means that he should be ranked ahead of Garcia.

We're also forgetting about Judah, who could be considered to be ranked over Matthysse because of a direct win. Would you consider Garcia to be ranked lower than Judah? Again, that's debatable, but I don't think I would.


Also to address Doc's beef with The Ring, I don't necessarily think fighter's are punished for taking risks. However I completely agree younger fighters who don't do enough get rewarded by way of default. This was a problem with their ratings before.

Perfect example is when Vanes was ranked #3 for that whole period of time without doing ****. Especially when guys like Sergei Dziniziruk deserved to be ranked #1 instead of 8 (not now, but back then).

[GG Magic]

Khan better win.. because Garcia being the ring champion would be a joke.

[Kagami Taiga]

Khan deserves to be rank #3 because he's the third best in the division? Plus his resume is a lot better than Matthysse's is.

If you were to make a top ten of the division, what would it look like? Matthysse lost to Judah and Alexander and I'm not necessarily sure just because he has faced that level of competition means that he should be ranked ahead of Garcia.

We're also forgetting about Judah, who could be considered to be ranked over Matthysse because of a direct win. Would you consider Garcia to be ranked lower than Judah? Again, that's debatable, but I don't think I would.


Also to address Doc's beef with The Ring, I don't necessarily think fighter's are punished for taking risks. However I completely agree younger fighters who don't do enough get rewarded by way of default. This was a problem with their ratings before.

Perfect example is when Vanes was ranked #3 for that whole period of time without doing ****. Especially when guys like Sergei Dziniziruk deserved to be ranked #1 instead of 8 (not now, but back then).

Ok so let me go over this again, khan loses to peterson amnd keeps his ranking because he's the third best fighter in the division but mathysse remains low in the rankings even though he arguably best fighters Judah and Alexander who were both higher ranked than the Peterson that beat khan. But u don't wanna give mathysse the credit for these fights because he officially lost and thus while khan may be considered the third best fighter in the division it is ok to put mathysse behind both him, Garcia who hasn't beat or even fought a quality opponent, and Judah who seems to get ranked high for doing the least? If ring is gonna pick and choose when to follow what happened officially then they are no better than the abc titles. And to me that means their credibility is ****. I don't see how Garcia is considered a better fighter in the division ahead of mathysse. It's just not just.

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