Comments Thread For: Photos: Vitali Klitschko Suffers Injury in Wild Ukraine Riot

[SBleeder]

In America, boxer captures world championship.

In Soviet Union, world champion captures you.

[BartBears]

[raskat]

I found this also, at the same time as you and posted it. its been posted from 2 different youtube channels it looks

[MJ223]

Respect to Vitali.......

[Light_Speed]

Surprised nobody said it was a scheme to duck Charr.

[BattlingNelson]

Somewhat distastefull but what the heck:



Riot Police - Vitali Klitschko: TKO 6.

[Banderivets]

Guys, seriously, I like B Vit as a boxer, but the politics is Ukraine is very complex.

Let me shed some light on this issue:

First thing to understand- Ukrainian is only spoken in day to day interaction by the western and northern halves of the country.

What most don't understand is the Russian is the spoken language of the other half of the country, so before you all scream about how oppressive it would be to have Russian as an official language of Ukraine, understand that it is just as oppressive to have Ukrainian forced on all the Russian speakers in the other half of the country.

Second, let's understand what Ukrainian actually is:

It is a language that may as well be Polish-Russo Hybrid, it is not as Authentic as the Western media wants you to believe. Most of the words that differ from Russian are actually a Polish influx.

Now, you also have to understand that Ukraine is an integral part of the Rus people(Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians). Those three groups of people are actually one people. Kiev is the cultural center of the Eastern Slavs. So, if anything the influx of Polish(Western Slav, Catholic, Latinized) is actually an invasive and foreign element to all peoples of the Rus.

Then you have to understand that Lvov, the capital of "Cultural" Ukraine, has been under Western control for so long that many western elements entered the country(Catholicism).

Ukraine the name itself means border land. It offensive to Ukrainian who are actually Melorussians(which means Lesser Russia, not in a derogatory way, but in the Geopolitical sense meaning center.) By calling Melorussians Ukrainians(Border land people), you are removing the history and culture from those people.

Also, before you call me a Russian and a communist understand that I was born in KIEV! And please, stop calling Russians communist. Most Russians view communism as a disease that nearly destroyed our civilization(Orthodoxy). Stalin was not a Russian...

Wow.......straight out of the commie history books. Good job mate!

I mean really...

First of you have a very elementary understanding of languages. Every language is a combo of something, it does not evolve in a vacuum. This is like saying spanish is not an authentic language its a combo of some italian dialect and french...

And what is Italian anyway? How is italian an "authentic" language?

Ukrainian unlike Russian (which is the same everywhere) has many dialects.

And where is this Polish influence....So Russian and Polish are "authentic" and Ukrainians decided to take those two and mix them? Complex logic....really....

Honestly I do not even know where to start.


Now back to Rus'. First and foremost, Moscow was ALWAYS the borderland of Rus'. And after Rus' fell the rightful successors to Rus' became the Halytsko-Volyns'ke Kingdom. Not Moscovia who unlike Halych-Volyn' became heavily influenced by the invading forces, who actually completely assimilated into Moscovia and to whom the native mosocovites paid tribute.

Halych-Volyn' never let the mongols assimilate and there were never any on their territory.

When Halych-Volyn' became absorbed into the Polish Lithuanian common wealth, the latter took on most of the old Rus' customs, they accepted their model of society and governance. Hence the real remnants of Rus' remained there, not in Moscow who was always a borderland and on top of that never fought off the mongol invaders. The problem is the modern obsession with names and credits...Who cares that it was not the Polish-Lithuanian-Halych-Volyn Common wealth...is that what you want to hear? No one cared about the napoleonic concepts of nation and peoples. Only thing that mattered was your town/village/family. Especially in Ukrainian culture where the onus is on "my house, my field, my wife kids and my horse..."

Ukrainians were always called "Russyny" ALWAYS, in the west they were referred to as such, because they were the inheritors of Rus'. Even my grandfather under Austro-Hungary was a "Russyn" in his passport.

Ukraine (Ukrainians) is an artificial term created by POLITICALLY CONSCIOUS Russyns after the Treaty of Periaslav, after which the Tsar of Moscovia proclaimed that he was the "Tsar of all Rus'", after which Moscovites started calling themselves Ruskiye. Rightfully Ukrainians were always Rusyns. So your whole theory around the word goes out the window.

Russia has a long history of importing culture...Starting with "tsar vsiya rusi" and continuing with Peter the great....

Hence "Ukrainians" was a response to Russian adoption of the world "Rus".

Even though the treaty of Periaslav was never any kind of union between Cossacks and Moscovites * if you want to know why that is, I wrote a paper on this which I can give you an abstract for.

And lastly, how did MaloRussia come to exist?

It came to exist as the result of oppression in all aspects of life. Oppression of language, and it was Catherin the Great who introduced serfdom to Ukraine, which never existed on the land before.

So to say that its oppressive to "their culture" is really illogical.

So it means oppressing a culture that is the product of oppression in the first place.


Your entire view is very Russo centric and is simply a copy paste of the communist version of history which had a single purpose. "we all one people" for which they pushed out the "reuniting of Rus lands" interpretation of the Treaty of Pereislav.

And lastly, no one except for ethnic Russians (and even for them maybe 25%) care about language laws in the South and East. Go and ask the people...

If you really believe that there is some kind of public unrest that is because you read Russian propaganda or watch RT....Russian media is the biggest joke on the planet....perfect example is RT. Its constantly fabricating enemies and drawing negatives images if anything and everything...Its the kind of journalism that is only appealing to zombified ****soveticus.

Russia is a big a ****hole or even bigger than Ukraine. The big difference being that while Ukrainians are vocal and admit that our entire government is full of crooks and thieves, when the same is said about the Russian government its taken offensively...I do not know who is to blame for this Russian complex without sounding offensive...but it has to be a long history of bowing to the Tsar and long history of absence of any notion private property...which all are the polar opposite of Ukrainian culture.

P.S. I can write all day about the issues with Ukrainians and Ukrainian culture......just as I can do about the Russian, but I happen to be a Ukrainian so its closer to my heart, and I do not want you to think for a moment that Ukrainians are some kind of innocent victims of the great Russian oppressor...Circumstance or not your pave your own roads and Ukrainians have never bothered to really put any effort into truly uniting and creating something for themselves...

But people and specially Russians have a very hard time admitting that in some aspects they simply lack the development...Just admit defeat and superiority of someone else and adapt, and move ahead...Stop telling yourself that you are the **** and you know better.

[Banderivets]

So the Ukrainian language is not authentic but simply Polonized Russian lol Nice to see that the Tsarist and Soviet historical narritive and propaganda is alive and well.

If the folks in the East and South don't mind the historical oppression and forced assimilation of Ukrainians in the past (which is why Russian is so prevelant) then they shouldn't mind experiencing it themselves.

Honestly man it's a lost cause.

It appears to slip the mind of Russians that one no cares about their view of the history outside the CIS.

Because the bottom line is that none of their arguments hold any ground in a ******* western academic institution.

They live in this bubble were they think that others acknowledge their imaginary great power status...while in reality no one gives them the attention that they so desperately want.

THey still have the cold war mentality which is messed up to begin with...Its this infinite cycle...

But at the end of the day its a sociological problem. We are social creatures and we need to belong, and they feel like they do not belong in the West and they create this world of their own to which they belong despite the fact that its based on lies and deceit.

[Poet682006]

Even though the treaty of Periaslav was never any kind of union between Cossacks and Moscovites * if you want to know why that is, I wrote a paper on this which I can give you an abstract for.

Hey, link that abstract if you can: It should be a great read

Poet

[budfr]

What's with these boxers trying to be polititians? Vitali and Pacman are ****** rich, they don't care nor understand poverty and people's needs, specially Pacman; too young and too rich to be useful for Phillippines' society.