Comments Thread For: CompuBox Review: Mosley Dominated as a Lightweight

[hillbilly]

Not really the same.

Mayweather has actually fought ranked opponents.

I don't think Floyd has a single win over a PRIME hall of fame opponent. Castillo isn't a HOFer. Neither is Corrales. Those are his best two wins against prime fighters. His other very good victories have come against guys either past their prime or a combination of past their prime and out of their proper weight class (De La Hoya, Mosley, Hatton, Marquez).

Mosley's two victories against a PRIME De La Hoya, where it was Mosley coming up dramatically in weight are way better than anything Floyd has accomplished. I cannot think of any other lightweight that has come up two weight classes to dethrone the reigning, PRIME, HOF welterweight champion (other than Duran doing so against Leonard).

Four of Mosley's losses are against two fighters that, at their best, I don't think Floyd could have beaten either--Vernon Forrest at 147 and Winky Wright at 154. And, Floyd's resume has two glaring weaknesses where, for whatever reason, he never fought the best two guys at two weight classes he spent long portions of his career at (Kostya Tszyu at 140 and Pacquiao at 147).

Most experts agree that Mosley was the best lightweight since Duran. And, yes, that includes Floyd, Jr. Do a quick google on that and you'll have confirmation.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think Floyd has a single win over a PRIME hall of fame opponent. Castillo isn't a HOFer. Neither is Corrales. Those are his best two wins against prime fighters. His other very good victories have come against guys either past their prime or a combination of past their prime and out of their proper weight class (De La Hoya, Mosley, Hatton, Marquez).

Mosley's two victories against a PRIME De La Hoya, where it was Mosley coming up dramatically in weight are way better than anything Floyd has accomplished. I cannot think of any other lightweight that has come up two weight classes to dethrone the reigning, PRIME, HOF welterweight champion (other than Duran doing so against Leonard).

Four of Mosley's losses are against two fighters that, at their best, I don't think Floyd could have beaten either--Vernon Forrest at 147 and Winky Wright at 154. And, Floyd's resume has two glaring weaknesses where, for whatever reason, he never fought the best two guys at two weight classes he spent long portions of his career at (Kostya Tszyu at 140 and Pacquiao at 147).

Most experts agree that Mosley was the best lightweight since Duran. And, yes, that includes Floyd, Jr. Do a quick google on that and you'll have confirmation.

What does any of that have to do with Mosley's Lightweight reign? These are the + and - numbers for his Lightweight reign.

And Mosley is not the best Lightweight since Duran In terms of accomplishments and he's not remotely close either.

His resume at Lightweight is atrocious.

[Thread Stealer]

Mosley was not better at lightweight than Whitaker.

He was dominant but it's not like he faced good opposition there.

[IronDanHamza]

Mosley was not better at lightweight than Whitaker.

He was dominant but it's not like he faced good opposition there.

Apparently, most experts consider him the best Lightweight since Duran.



That's one of the most humorous things I've heard in a while.

[Thread Stealer]

Apparently, most experts consider him the best Lightweight since Duran.



That's one of the most humorous things I've heard in a while.

Guys with dominant records against poor opposition often get overrated. I've even heard Michael Moorer get compared to the Michael Spinks's and Bob Foster's of the world at 175, Edwin Valero get compared to the greats as well.

Now Mosley's opposition, mediocre as it was at 135, was far better than Moorer and Valero's opposition.

[IronDanHamza]

Guys with dominant records against poor opposition often get overrated. I've even heard Michael Moorer get compared to the Michael Spinks's and Bob Foster's of the world at 175, Edwin Valero get compared to the greats as well.

Now Mosley's opposition, mediocre as it was at 135, was far better than Moorer and Valero's opposition.

To be totally honest, I would put Mosley's reign in the same boat as Moorer's and Valero's.

His resume is incredibley thin at the weight. Outside of Philip Holiday there pretty much no ranked fighters in his run.

But I agree with what you're saying.

[Thread Stealer]

I cannot think of any other lightweight that has come up two weight classes to dethrone the reigning, PRIME, HOF welterweight champion (other than Duran doing so against Leonard).

Duran had left 135 about 2 and a half years before facing Leonard.

To be totally honest, I would put Mosley's reign in the same boat as Moorer's and Valero's.

His resume is incredibley thin at the weight. Outside of Philip Holiday there pretty much no ranked fighters in his run.

But I agree with what you're saying.

I think Mosley tends to get overrated at 135 and underrated at 147.

People often say Mosley was better at lightweight than at welterweight, but I don't really think Mosley was any better at 135 than he was at WW in his late 20s/early 30s. I think it was more of just facing better opposition at 147 and also a real tough style matchup in Forrest. Since then, his performances were up and down, and where I definitely see a decline in performances along with weight is when Mosley fights at 154. That's where he certainly is inferior. He's rarely ever looked good at 154.

But at 147, from 1999 to the early 2000s, he looked great in all but one of his first 5 fights. He looked probably the best he's ever looked in the first bout with DLH, and also looked great in other fights against Wise, Taylor, and Diaz (less so with Rivera).

Mosley did have a size advantage at 135 where he was a very big lightweight. He was more comfortable however, at least according to Shane, at 147 since he wasn't cutting so much weight. He killed guys to the body in both divisions. In terms of power, he cracked hard at either weight, but was more of an accumulation puncher (at least against world class opposition).

If he faced the opposition at 147 that he did at 135, he'd look just as dominant and spectacular.

[IronDanHamza]

I think Mosley tends to get overrated at 135 and underrated at 147.

People often say Mosley was better at lightweight than at welterweight, but I don't really think Mosley was any better at 135 than he was at WW in his late 20s/early 30s. I think it was more of just facing better opposition at 147 and also a real tough style matchup in Forrest. Since then, his performances were up and down, and where I definitely see a decline in performances along with weight is when Mosley fights at 154. That's where he certainly is inferior. He's rarely ever looked good at 154.

But at 147, from 1999 to the early 2000s, he looked great in all but one of his first 5 fights. He looked probably the best he's ever looked in the first bout with DLH, and also looked great in other fights against Wise, Taylor, and Diaz (less so with Rivera).

Mosley did have a size advantage at 135 where he was a very big lightweight. He was more comfortable however, at least according to Shane, at 147 since he wasn't cutting so much weight. He killed guys to the body in both divisions. In terms of power, he cracked hard at either weight, but was more of an accumulation puncher (at least against world class opposition).

If he faced the opposition at 147 that he did at 135, he'd look just as dominant and spectacular.

Agree whole heartedly.

Mosley only looked so dominant because his opposition was so pityful.

I mean, if he fought every ranked contender he would still have dominated most of them. But, he only fought like 1 or 2 ranked fighters. What do you expect?

The only legit fighter he fought was Philip Holiday and he looked distinctly worse in that fight compared to all his fights at 135. That's no coincidence.

Mosley at 147 was awesome. And you're right, the only reason he looked worse was because he fought the best fighters there.

At 154, he's never looked good. Pretty much ever, 154 was just too high for him I guess.

But yeah, his Lightweight reign was awful. Really bad.

[Paclan]

Mosley was a beast at lightweight but for some reason he became sloppy as hell when he moved up in weight. He stopped focusing on anything except landing his right hand and his jab turned into a lazy, useless pillow punch.

top 5 lightweights of all time is pushing it because he never really fought anyone dangerous, but i would list him as top 20 lightweight based on potential alone.

[Thread Stealer]

Mosley was a beast at lightweight but for some reason he became sloppy as hell when he moved up in weight. He stopped focusing on anything except landing his right hand and his jab turned into a lazy, useless pillow punch.

top 5 lightweights of all time is pushing it because he never really fought anyone dangerous, but i would list him as top 20 lightweight based on potential alone.

His best performance ever was at welterweight. He looked great in all of his WW bouts pre-Forrest with the exception of his first fight there against Rivera.

After Forrest, his performances started declining.