If Roach Isn't A Great Trainer, Then Who Is?

[2501]

You never heard of him before in your life... You watched 24/7 and frotin like you know.

I think a lot of members just got carried away because he gave Cotto instructions that worked against Floyd. But there are game plans that we think would work against Mayweather, but not every fighter can execute them.

[CHOWWOKKA]

You never heard of him before in your life... You watched 24/7 and frotin like you know.

Okay your right I am lying he isn't a good trainer...

Sorry everybody for deceiving you and lying.

[-Kev-]

Roach is going to be Roach. Which is be smart with your picks. Go for a David Diaz instead of some spoiler[then], who could have given Manny Pacquiao problems like Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell, or Joel Casamayor.

He is best at getting Manny opponents who "will come to fight" *wink*, and getting fighters at their worst or coming off a string of fights where they looked vulnerable. He tried it with Marquez in 2011 but it backfired.

Pacquiao deserves props for facing a spoiler like Timothy Bradley though. If Pacquiao beats Bradley fairly, you will not hear a word from me hating on Pac for that win.

[Uns]

Okay your right I am lying he isn't a good trainer...

No one is great to you if you don't even know their name. You saw him for 2 fights, let me guess? Cotto vs Marg and Floyd?

[CHOWWOKKA]

No one is great to you if you don't even know their name. You saw him for 2 fights, let me guess? Cotto vs Marg and Floyd?

Dude I was already exposed as a liar don't kick a guy when he is down

[Brother Jay]

Freddie Roach is a great adviser/matchmaker/negotiator. People have to understand, that's what makes a great trainer in today's boxing era. Intelligence, no one can deny Freddie is smart with his requests of opponents from the promoters and fighters.

this ^^^ is one of the best and most honest/informed answers on this topic.

[Uns]

Dude I was already exposed as a liar don't kick a guy when he is down

OK my bad. He seems good as a trainer but Cotto still got beaten badly, just he didn't do as badly as we all thought.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Diaz's work within the Cuban amateur program speaks for itself, he's been involved in creating numerous champions at that level, and fighters who have gone on to be great pro fighters. Gamboa, Solis and Rigondeaux are good names on a resume. Lara also, I believe.

Now he's had a good start in the pro ranks, he's a good trainer.

[Uns]

this ^^^ is one of the best and most honest/informed answers on this topic.

Yet it didn't answer the Q.

[Porter's Dad]

Trainers on the whole are overrated, IMHO. A fighter will live or die by his own smarts.

I've just finished reading SRL's book, and he tells how Dundee didn't even come to train him until the last couple of weeks of fights, by which time he had already prepared the game plan.

In Larry Holmes book, he minimises the role of all his trainers (even Eddie Futcher), and not even in an arrogant, deluded way.

In this sense, Freddie is overrated. But relative to other trainers, he is right up there. I mean, we've got people saying his greatness lies in his ability to match-up Pacquiao up well. Yep, that's why Toney, Tyson, Starling, Tapia, Hopkins, Vasquez etc chose Freddie as their trainer.

Nowadays, Garcia and Diaz are supposedly better than him. 5 years ago, it was probably Buddy McGirt and Ronnie Shields.

When it comes to trainers, people are very influenced by trends and momentum, because we don't really have true insight into know whether someone is a great trainer or not.

But what we do know about Freddie is this; a bunch of great fighters have chosen to work with him. And he's trained a modern great for a long time and through a lot of success.