People Need To Stop Saying That Freddie Roach Is A Great Trainer

[Uns]

Just because you are training great fighters doesn't mean you are a great trainer. And which of his fighters would you describe as being "world class" apart from Manny "I let other people make my decisions for me" Pacquiao? Who lost to a 38 year old Lightweight in his last fight. Because I can't think of any. Lateef Kayode damn sure isn't world class and neither is Amir "The Amatuer" Khan. They're both one dimensional and overrated. Is there anyone who I am forgetting?

Who Is a great trainer?

[warp1432]

Tarver-Kayote was not the worst decision of the year by far.

[JAB5239]

Just because you are training great fighters doesn't mean you are a great trainer. And which of his fighters would you describe as being "world class" apart from Manny "I let other people make my decisions for me" Pacquiao? Who lost to a 38 year old Lightweight in his last fight. Because I can't think of any. Lateef Kayode damn sure isn't world class and neither is Amir "The Amatuer" Khan. They're both one dimensional and overrated. Is there anyone who I am forgetting?

What exactly do you think world class means? If you're a top 20 fighter you're world class. If you're top 10 you're elite. Top 3 you're the best of the best for your division. By my count Roach has trained more than 30 world class fighters at on point or another. If the guy wasn't a great trainer fighters wouldn't seek him out.

[djeffectz]

The world best fighter is trained by the world best trainer... Pac and Roach is the best we've seen?

[sunny31]

He is a great trainer, especially conditioning, and psychologically getting fighters to believe in themselves which is an underrated quality. I have said this many times andit seems people don't understand how difficult it is to retrain a fighter who is already a professional.

Floyd Mayweather Senior is a great trainer in a different way because he created a fighter who went on to become the best, but again when he has taken already established fighters he doesn't have a very good record in that situation.

This is wherei think Roach is very good, slowly tweaking fighters over a period of time. Clearly Khan was already a big talent, but he really did turn his career around, yes Ariza had a lot to do with it also, but Khan was damaged psychologically, like I mentioned earlier, Roach got him to believe in himself. He is clearly a work in progress, and people who think Roach has not changed him are dumb, he has a style now where he does not exchange, he gets his shots off and moves, and does not throw between punches in case he gets caught, this is a style whichnhas got him to this level, where it previously looked impossible. His progress has now slowed, basically because those tactics won't always work against fighters at this level, but I thinkyou guys are quick to forget where Khan and Pacquiao came from.

Roach is not a miracle worker he is a trainer, who does some things very well, and other things not so well, but make no mistake he is a very good trainer, one of the best. He is not going to gel with every fighter, and he probably leaves himself vulnerable to criticism because he is willing to help when people ask him, and he trains all types of fighters, and sometimes he will have bad results. I don't think his method is rocket science it is simple and concise. He gets his guys conditioned, he believes in hard sparring, swink or swim, harder
than the fight if possible. He puts together a game plan based on some mistakes he sees in the other fighter, he likes to focus and work off his fighters strengths, one example would be, he made Khan use his jab as soon as he got with him he gave him confidence by telling him he had the best jab in boxing. Like i said it is not rocket science but Khan was not doing it before.

Maybe you can say he doesn't focus enough on the weaknesses, but that takes time, to eliminate bad habits, and it is probably the hardest thing to do as a trainer.

[GeneroEdits]

Eddie Futch > Freddie Roach

[therealpugilist]

Dude is a good trainer, but he has never build a green fighter into a champion, or got with an established client and improved their weaknesses.....he always gets with fighters that are already established. Most his fighters have leaky defenses as well. A fighter like Jorge Linares is too skilled to get hit the way he does with some one that is supposed to be a great trainer

Never really seen him tell his fighters adjust in a big fight in the corner either

[JK1700]

He is a good trainer, that has trained some greats. Cut him a break, the fact that he is even still able to train fighters tells you how great of a person he really is. He can't fight for the fighters, they have to take the blame for winning and losing.

People are missing the point here. I'm not saying that he's a bad trainer and I give him credit for doing what he's doing in the physical condition that he's in, and i'm not saying that Kayode's loss was purely down to him either, I just don't think that he's a great trainer and a lot of people give him more credit than I believe he deserves. All of his fighters fight the same way, and have no defence.

Who Is a great trainer?

I think that Roger Mayweather, Emanuel Steward, Naazim Richardson and Nacho Beristain are all great trainers who are better at what they do than Freddie Roach. That's not to say that Freddie is a bad trainer, but they are better than him. Nacho proved in the Marquez fight that he's much better.

What exactly do you think world class means? If you're a top 20 fighter you're world class. If you're top 10 you're elite. Top 3 you're the best of the best for your division. By my count Roach has trained more than 30 world class fighters at on point or another. If the guy wasn't a great trainer fighters wouldn't seek him out.

I have already explained this on the first page. I suggest you read it again. I think that a lot of fighters look to train with him because of the planned and overrated success of Manny "I let other people make my decisions for me" Pacquiao who has become very popular by beating up a lot of ruined and handicapped opponents. And the fact that Manny has looked so good in these fights created the illussion that Freddie is this great trainer who has developed and transformed Manny into this unbeatable punching machine, until it was exposed as a complete and utter myth when he fought Marquez for the 3rd time and lost in the eyes on 90% of the boxing public. It proved that Freddie hasn't developed and improved Manny at all in the last few years and that his opposition was just complete trash. People looked at Manny's success and decided to train with Freddie because they thought they would have similar success, but for a lot of them it hasn't worked because they haven't had the luxary of fighting washed up and ruined opponents. The other reason why Freddie has had a lot of people training with him is because he's an attention whore who is always yapping on about anything and everything in a desperate attempt to become more popular which has made him a big name. When your the most well known trainer in the sport people are going to come to you regardless of whether you are a great trainer or not, and he is not. There are several better trainers out there who don't get half the attention and/or credit that he gets. It's very unfair.

[-Kev-]

That's it, it's been done. Freddie Roach is a "great" trainer and there's nothing any one can really do about that. He got up there because of Manny Pacquiao. He got way too much credit for only playing matchmaker and negotiator for Pacquiao.

I can't see how a trainer who proudly comments on how he wants his fighter to face the once-best when they're no longer the best, when they're past prime and can't pull the trigger, is regarded as a great trainer. Roach should never retire from boxing, if he wants to stop training, he would make a perfect matchmaker and adviser/manager, even a ATG promoter. Cause the guy really knows how to pick the fights for his fighters.

[A-Wolf]

My problem with Roach is that he seems to have a universal formula he's applying to all his fighters. Recipe for failure.