Is Manny Pacquiao the most overrated fighter of the past 25 years?

[The Tase]

why are you so hung up on publications? when you know its a popularity contest who promote and annoint...they have their own agenda's as well

for example everyone was on Julio Cesar Chavez nuts because he was humble and didnt give Whitaker much credit or accolades because of his style or bravado same with Macho Camacho

lmfaaaooo because that's how this sport's greats are awarded & recognized!!!!


WTF man?

Who else are we going to listen to? You?


How do you think the mvp is chosen in the nba? by polls on sports nation?

No, by nba publication writers.



god please help me.

[The Tase]

And, winning a potential H2H match up doesn't mean you're greater either.

Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times. And, the consensus is that Pep is the greater fighter.

Duran lost to Hearns, Leonard 2x, Benitez, and Hagler. While Leonard beat Hearns, Duran 2x, Benitez, and Hagler. Yet by most Duran is greater than Leonard.

There is a very good possibility that Vitaly Klitschko could have beaten Muhammad Ali...But, I would be damn if anyone says Vitaly is greater than the greatest.

H2H doesn't mean greater.

Better doesn't mean greater.

Are Roy, Floyd, Ricardo Lopez, Hopkins, Toney "better" than Pac? Sure OK. They're more skilled sure. But, are they greater? Only Roy probably ranks higher.

Resume and accomplishment is the most important thing to rank greatness.

exactly. these f*king idiots my god.


Aaron Pryor beat Alexis Arguello twice. You are not going to find a credible boxing person that would rank Pryor above Arguello in any ATG list ranking.

[Roman Moreno]

to the untrained eye, maybe

The best indication of skills is resume and accomplishments.

[SpeedKillz]

The best indication of skills is resume and accomplishments.

so you think its that black and white, eh?

[IronDanHamza]

And, winning a potential H2H match up doesn't mean you're greater either.

Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times. And, the consensus is that Pep is the greater fighter.

Duran lost to Hearns, Leonard 2x, Benitez, and Hagler. While Leonard beat Hearns, Duran 2x, Benitez, and Hagler. Yet by most Duran is greater than Leonard.

There is a very good possibility that Vitaly Klitschko could have beaten Muhammad Ali...But, I would be damn if anyone says Vitaly is greater than the greatest.

H2H doesn't mean greater.

Better doesn't mean greater.

Are Roy, Floyd, Ricardo Lopez, Hopkins, Toney "better" than Pac? Sure OK. They're more skilled sure. But, are they greater? Only Roy probably and maybe arguably Floyd ranks higher.

Resume and accomplishment is the most important thing to rank greatness.

That's a great example to shut down the whole "Common opponent" ****.

[The Tase]

The best indication of skills is resume and accomplishments.

so you think its that black and white, eh?

Resume > Perceived Skills & Greatness

ALWAYS.


You can measure Resume. You cant measure perceived skills, greatness & hypothetical fantasy match up wins.

[Brother Jay]

why are you so hung up on publications? when you know its a popularity contest who promote and annoint...they have their own agenda's as well

He will never acknowledge that sensibly. He may agree to it in order to move on, but he won't apply it in his reasoning because then he would have no argument.

When people rely strictly on what opinions other people have said or put in print to make an argument, it becomes clear that they have accepted those spoken or written words as facts .. when in reality they too are opinions.

He just feels as though they are more legitimate because they have been quoted or put into print. That's flawed logic .. like most of the rest of his arguments.

Its really that simple.

[Alx.]

no, pacman is legit

[Roman Moreno]

so you think its that black and white, eh?

I didn't say it was black and white but it is the best indicator. Many other factors can come into play but resume and accomplishments is the best indicator.

That's a great example to shut down the whole "Common opponent" ****.

Common opponents and H2H match ups are overrated when talking about greatness.

[SpeedKillz]

I didn't say it was black and white but it is the best indicator. Many other factors can come into play but resume and accomplishments is the best indicator.



Common opponents and H2H match ups are overrated when talking about greatness.

I think that dissecting a fighters skills and how he showcases those skills in tough situations is equal to if not better than a "resume"