Is Manny Pacquiao the most overrated fighter of the past 25 years?

[therealpugilist]

again, in this proliferated number of belts, champions, & boxing organizations, beating a champion is not the same as beating a great fighter.

Being a title holder doesnt always equal a great fighter.


But since you're just a casual fan you wouldnt know that would you even after i just posted it earlier.

if you could read i didnt say all belt holders are great fighters, he just aint beat as many as his contemporaries which is a fact....get over it


call me what you want idk you and you dont know me moving on

, so like I said you dont think 8 titles at 8 weights is that impressive considering their are 3-4 major belts in each weight, right?

[The Tase]

Exactly, which speaks to my point about opinions. IMO, manny is overrated. There are those that project him in the top 30 fighters of all time based on his accomplishments above 135.

When I look at those accomplishments and I look at who he fought, at what weight, and the circumstances, BASED solely on in the ring variables, I see a fighter who is not as good as Floyd, Roy, Bhop, Ricardo Lopez, Sweet Pea, Toney over the last 25 years.

The people who see him as better are overating him IMO. That doesn't change his accomplishments or his expected induction into the HOF.

thanks for your opinion. Too bad we cant measure it. What we can measure is resume, boxing awards & decoration by boxing publications that have been around longer than youve been alive & whose opinion & analysis carry weight.

That's how we judge greatness. Not hypothetical fantasy match up wins & perceived talent & greatness according to you.


So tell me, who has a better resume than Pacquiao over the last 25 years?

[Roman Moreno]

more baldomirs and judahs?

doesnt mean they're greater is just that people keep bringing up Manny may have beaten more hall of famers(we dont know this yet) and won more titles
than anyone in his era(which is true), but what is also is true he hasnt beat the most champions and title holders although he won the most belts


Its just ironic people talk about Jones and Mayweather fighting stiffs, and ODLH losing all his big fights but they all three beat more champions and titlists

Being titlist doesn't make you a stiff?

For example what Defututus said.

Btw, Pac has beaten more champs than SRL. Means nothing absolutely nothing.

[therealpugilist]

thanks for your opinion. Too bad we cant measure it. What we can measure is resume, boxing awards & decoration by boxing publications that have been around longer than youve been alive & whose opinion & analysis carry weight.

That's how we judge greatness. Not hypothetical fantasy match up wins & perceived talent & greatness according to you.


So tell me, who has a better resume than Pacquiao over the last 25 years?

why are you so hung up on publications? when you know its a popularity contest who promote and annoint...they have their own agenda's as well

for example everyone was on Julio Cesar Chavez nuts because he was humble and didnt give Whitaker much credit or accolades because of his style or bravado same with Macho Camacho

[SpeedKillz]

Being titlist doesn't make you a stiff?

For example what Defututus said.

Btw, Pac has beaten more champs than SRL. Means nothing absolutely nothing.

hit the nail right on the head. but be careful, in a minute or so DTMB is gonna scorn you for writing your "floyd agendas and opinions that are worthless"

[Roman Moreno]

Pac doesn't have to better than anyone to be greater than a fighter. He doesn't need to be more skilled.

Really resume and accomplishment is way more important to what anyone perceived to be "skills"

[SpeedKillz]

Pac doesn't have to better than anyone to be greater than a fighter. He doesn't need to be more skilled.

Really resume and accomplishment is way more important to what anyone perceived to be "skills"

to the untrained eye, maybe

[The Tase]

if you could read i didnt say all belt holders are great fighters, he just aint beat as many as his contemporaries which is a fact....get over it


call me what you want idk you and you dont know me moving on

, so like I said you dont think 8 titles at 8 weights is that impressive considering their are 3-4 major belts in each weight, right?

ok & that's just one way to measure how great a fighter is. Not the end all be all. The division titles are impressive though considering where he started. Sure pac didnt beat the best at 135 but he still scaled the division. Went up to 140 now to 147. He fought hatton who was lineal & now he's figthing bradley.

[Brother Jay]

thanks for your baseless, floyd agenda opinions, & baseless assertions.

Your words & opinions are worthless & carry no weight whatsoever.


Ill stick with facts and boxing publications whose words & opinions means more than yours.

Be a man and explain exactly what assertion I made that was "baseless".

Did I mention Floyd once in my post? Or are you obsessing over Floyd yourself? Did I even compare Pacquiao to Floyd? Or are you making the comparison and therefore reduced to calling my post "baseless" as a form of defense?

Basically, what you're asserting is that because Manny has received the most writer awards, he has accomplished the most.

You cannot refute:

Manny has padded his record with 40 fights and he only has 59.

Manny campaign above 135lbs lacks any real substance whatsoever as it pertains to legacy and value.

Manny can only be compared to other greats of boxing's past and present IF AND ONLY IF one includes his campaign at WW and jrMW. If you take those farces away, Manny entire legacy is predicated on his wins over Barrera and Morales. And most acknowledge that Pacquiao's WW and jrMW campaigns are marred by catchweights, rehydration clauses, winning one single title at a WW in a catchweight bout and winning one single jrMW vacant title against a cheater who was still banned at the time of the fight.

Show me how those assertions are baseless. Go ahead. Dazzle us.

[Roman Moreno]

And, winning a potential H2H match up doesn't mean you're greater either.

Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times. And, the consensus is that Pep is the greater fighter.

Duran lost to Hearns, Leonard 2x, Benitez, and Hagler. While Leonard beat Hearns, Duran 2x, Benitez, and Hagler. Yet by most Duran is greater than Leonard.

There is a very good possibility that Vitaly Klitschko could have beaten Muhammad Ali...But, I would be damn if anyone says Vitaly is greater than the greatest.

H2H doesn't mean greater.

Better doesn't mean greater.

Are Roy, Floyd, Ricardo Lopez, Hopkins, Toney "better" than Pac? Sure OK. They're more skilled sure. But, are they greater? Only Roy probably and maybe arguably Floyd ranks higher.

Resume and accomplishment is the most important thing to rank greatness.