Is Manny Pacquiao the most overrated fighter of the past 25 years?

[therealpugilist]

Agreed. But examination of the resume is where we differentiate.

For example, I'm sure you would factually point out manny has won 8 titles in 8 different weight classes. I would factually point out he won 2 of those titles at a catchweight, and one of them against an opponent who was 1-1-1 at the weight. So for you as a manny fan, his JMW title is an accomplishment worth recognizing. For me, its an accomplishment that should be laughed at, considering he and Margs fought at 150 and their combined record at time of title fight above 147 lbs was 1-1-1.

cant forget David Diaz at 135 was the worst title holder at the weight in recent memory....also both Cotto and Margarito were coming off the beatings of their life's and shaky performances...not that impressive hell Margarito wasnt even ranked at 154

[Roman Moreno]

really winning awards are popularity contests.. thats a magazines or publication's opinion not a fact..most of us that have been boxing fans for a while now know awards often go to the flavor of the season

....Roach got like 5 trainer of the year awards, but mainly for one fighter Pacquiao....when other trainers are making champions out of guys they had since kids, Roach always has clients that are already established.

IDk about Manny beating more hall of famers than everyone in his era but i do know Jones, Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya all defeated more champions than Pacquaio

Roy Jones was considered p4p number one from like 1994-2003, Manny got that distinction by default becuase everyone thought Mayweather was gone for good now their is a dilemma becase every knows Mayweather had been dominating the sport before people ever heard of Pacquaio, and has more skill

He is a first ballot hall of famers....just not the best fighter of his era OR the last 25 years

That means what?

[The Big Dunn]

p4p ranking is at its purest form opinion based.

but those opinions are held on record by by ring magazine. This is not a opinion but a fact.


& if you retire, you retire. & roy's only been p4p 1# king for 3 years;96,99,03.

Floyd 3 years; 05,06,07.

Pac 3 years; 08,09,10,11 & he's tied with floyd currenty in 12. If he beats bradley he will be back on top. making it a half a decade as 1# p4p.


ALL FACTS.

Popovich I'll ask you if this post is true.

[therealpugilist]

p4p ranking is at its purest form opinion based.

but those opinions are held on record by by ring magazine. This is not a opinion but a fact.


& if you retire, you retire. & roy's only been p4p 1# king for 3 years;96,99,03.

Floyd 3 years; 05,06,07.

Pac 3 years; 08,09,10,11 & he's tied with floyd currenty in 12. If he beats bradley he will be back on top. making it a half a decade as 1# p4p.


ALL FACTS.

from a publication...Mayweather has beaten more champions has a better championship record and has been p4p one of the best in everyones eyes since 1998....Manny didnt even touch the rankings til 2003-2004

Honestly you know the only reason the ring awarded him those years was because Mayweather is/was the clear p4p guy tho...he got it by default by the ring

[The Tase]

This is a ****ing lie. I never said ALL your facts in the post were wrong, just the ones that were. Look, if you and Popovich wanna circle jerk go right ahead.

So again no factual rebuttal. Here ill show you how its done:

p4p ranking is at its purest form opinion based.

but those opinions are held on record by by ring magazine. This is not a opinion but a fact.


& if you retire, you retire. & roy's only been p4p 1# king for 3 years;96,99,03.

Floyd 3 years; 05,06,07.

Pac 3 years; 08,09,10,11 & he's tied with floyd currenty in 12. If he beats bradley he will be back on top. making it a half a decade as 1# p4p.


ALL FACTS.

Links:

1990s Ring Magainze P4P rankings:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1990s

2000s

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--2000s

2010s

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--2010s



Now can you pleas do the same?

[SpeedKillz]

im not even gonna flame with you.

Lets stick to boxing. Stay on point.


YOu said my facst were all wrong. Can you please provide some factual rebuttals?

fair enough, no flaming.

i said your facts were all wrong? you sure it was me?

[therealpugilist]

That means what?

.....they defeated more champions....duh

we dont who the hall of famers are gonna be until all their careers are over

[The Big Dunn]

cant forget David Diaz at 135 was the worst title holder at the weight in recent memory....also both Cotto and Margarito were coming off the beatings of their life's and shaky performances...not that impressive hell Margarito wasnt even ranked at 154

Diaz was a bum but thats not Manny's fault. Just like its not floyd's fault Baldo beat Zab. But for ANYONE to legitmize the 154 title speaks to the real problems in this sport.

Ultimately, Manny has won titles during a period in the sports history where everyone connected to the sport has cheapend what thotitles and belts mean.

[The Tase]

.....they defeated more champions....duh

do you know how many belts & so called "champions" are in each division?

If you actually knew boxing instead of pretending to be a knowledgeable with your oldschool avi you would know that anybody can be a champion in today's high proliferation of belts & division.

but since it fits your agenda go ahead while i laugh.

[The Tase]

fair enough, no flaming.

i said your facts were all wrong? you sure it was me?

ive been shoulder rolling F mos left & right in this thread i dunno even know anymore. but since you are one, i guess im talkng to you as well.