Froch's resume - nothing legendary

[Joeyzagz]

You don't have to see any one saying it.

That's how they're acting about his resume.


You would think Carl Froch just went through 15 Hall Of Famers, the way his resume is being praised.


I praise Froch for his win over Bute, but that's where the praise stops. Watch Bute get some good wins and people will say, well I guess he's not a bum, he was good afterall.

The whole point of my long post, which you didn't say much about, is how people get influenced after one performance and say crazy things about the winner. Things that they will regret saying eventually.

He just fought every top guy in his division Back 2 Back 2 Back. Who else has done this?

The Klitschkos have never done this (they wont fight Each other, Valuev)
Floyds never done this(ducked Pacquiao,)
Pacquiao has never done this (ducked Floyd)

The only guy who has anything close to Froch's resume is probably Shane Mosley or Cotto. They fought all the Welterweights.

[-Kev-]

All I see is people acting like he defied the odds and pulled off a great win. And, has one of the best resumes of all time at 168 for it.

I don't see how that isn't reasonable and anything "legendary" about saying that.

I agree people over-exaggerate at times straight after an impressive win.

But, I don't see anyone saying anything unreasonable about Froch's resume after last night's win.

We must be seeing differently then.

Because all I see is a pack of idiots who can't decide whether Froch's win was actually good or if Bute is a hypejob, B level fighter. I see people saying both, at the same time.

"OMG Froch's win was great, he has the best resume, he totally destroyed Bute. Bute is a bum, a B class fighter, hype job".

Come on, which one is it?

[IronDanHamza]

We must be seeing differently then.

Because all I see is a pack of idiots who can't decide whether Froch's win was actually good or if Bute is a hypejob, B level fighter. I see people saying both, at the same time.

"OMG Froch's win was great, he has the best resume, he totally destroyed Bute. Bute is a bum, a B class fighter, hype job".

Come on, which one is it?

It's a bit of both.

Bute may not have been as good as many thought.

But, he was considered to be one of the top 2 best fighters at the weight, an advantage in most areas, and a heavy favourite.

So of course, he get's credit.

I still think Bute is a good fighter though personally.

[-Kev-]

He just fought every top guy in his division Back 2 Back 2 Back. Who else has done this?

The Klitschkos have never done this (they wont fight Each other, Valuev)
Floyds never done this(ducked Pacquiao,)
Pacquiao has never done this (ducked Floyd)

The only guy who has anything close to Froch's resume is probably Shane Mosley or Cotto. They fought all the Welterweights.

More overrating.

The least you can do is fight every one in your weight class, if you started in that weight class and have stayed in that weight class.

Froch's resume is nowhere near Floyd's or Manny's or what they have accomplished. You are comparing a guy who hasn't even been able to win The Ring champion of his lone weight class. To Floyd who has 3 Ring/or Lineal Titles in 3 different weight classes out of 5. Or Pacquiao who has 4 Ring/lineal titles out of 8.

Froch: Pascal, Bute, Johnson, Taylor, Abraham.

Floyd: Corrales, Hernandez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Castillo 2x, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, Judah, etc.

Pac: Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya, Marquez, Hatton, Clottey, etc.

Sorry but you picked the wrong two names to try and compare Froch's resume to. Call me when Froch wins the SMW Ring title, goes up to LHW and wins the Ring title there, goes up to CW, wins the Ring title there, and then picks up a title at HW. Let's see if he'd be so eager to fight every top guy then, jumping all those weight classes, constantly being outweighted by 10-15 lbs by his opponents.

[Joeyzagz]

More overrating.

The least you can do is fight every one in your weight class, if you started in that weight class and have stayed in that weight class.

Froch's resume is nowhere near Floyd's or Manny's or what they have accomplished. You are comparing a guy who hasn't even been able to win The Ring champion of his lone weight class. To Floyd who has 3 Ring/or Lineal Titles in 3 different weight classes out of 5. Or Pacquiao who has 4 Ring/lineal titles out of 8.

Froch: Pascal, Bute, Johnson, Taylor, Abraham.

Floyd: Corrales, Hernandez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Castillo 2x, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, Judah, etc.

Pac: Barrera, Morales, Cotto, De La Hoya, Marquez, Hatton, Clottey, etc.

Sorry but you picked the wrong two names to try and compare Froch's resume to. Call me when Froch wins the SMW Ring title, goes up to LHW and wins the Ring title there, goes up to CW, wins the Ring title there, and then picks up a title at HW. Let's see if he'd be so eager to fight every top guy then, jumping all those weight classes, constantly being outweighted by 10-15 lbs by his opponents.

Those are impressive names, but the fact they are ducking each other negates all else. Theyve been in the same division for 4 fcking years fighting each others leftovers!!! What they are doing is not manly at all, they practically double teamed Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, De la hoya, and refuse to fight each other.

They are implementing the Klitschko strategy at welterweight. Disgusting.

[LoadedWraps]

Don't go overboard

Good resume but some of the **** I'm reading here is embarrassing and the people who say it must have only been watching boxing for 3 years.

Lets break it down.

Jean Pascal - Went on to win 175 lbs title (top win), Lost to 46 year old Bernard Hopkins comfortably after Calzaghe beat Hopkins 3 years earlier
Jermain Taylor - Lost 2/3 fights before Froch including a crushing knock out, ahead on scorecards and stopped late due to his typical stamina problems. KOed badly once again in fight after Froch - Past prime
Andre Dirrell - Obviously a good fighter but who the hell has he beat? Can someone tell me please? does he have any distinctions? Never a champion or anything - Unproven
Arthur Abraham - Beat 1 guy at 168 and that was Jermain Taylor who had lost 3/4 fights with 2 by KO, way too small from the weight and really hasn't done anything at 168, no real notable wins at 160 either.
Glen Johnson - 43 years old... yes I know he beat Roy Jones like 6 years ago but the guy hasn't beat a good fighter in years. Lost 4 of last 6 with only wins being Yusaf Mack and Allan Green - Past prime
Lucian Bute - Champion in his prime but as many are saying.. untested really, never went in with the best and it showed.

Losses
Kessler - Close but clear loss (IMO) to a guy who has been fighting injuries for a while now, not in his prime anymore. Calzaghe beat prime undefeated Kessler.
Ward - Top fighter in the division by a mile, top 10 p4p.. no shame here.


So what we have is a guy who has beat

2 Past prime fighters (Johnson, Taylor)
2 Unproven (Dirrell... Bute to a degree)
1 Too small in reality with no real notable wins (Abraham)
1 Prime top class fighter (Pascal)

The super 6 convinced a lot of people that these guys are Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran etc.. Truth is some of them were untested going into the super 6 and some still don't have any real top class wins to generate the hype they get.

Nothing legendary? Overreact much? Do you even know what legendary means? There are a handful of fighters in history that might be in the conversation for "legendary" anything. "Nothing legendary" is supposed to be a slight to Froch? What a joke, not Floyd, Manny, or anyone in this era has legendary anything, and anyone who says they do, doesn't know boxing, and is probably a fan of only the most recent era, and is one of those "how can the past be better?" morons.

[bojangles1987]

You don't have to see any one saying it.

That's how they're acting about his resume.


You would think Carl Froch just went through 15 Hall Of Famers, the way his resume is being praised.


I praise Froch for his win over Bute, but that's where the praise stops. Watch Bute get some good wins and people will say, well I guess he's not a bum, he was good afterall.

The whole point of my long post, which you didn't say much about, is how people get influenced after one performance and say crazy things about the winner. Things that they will regret saying eventually.

No one said anything about Froch having some great resume now. Almost all the praise has come because he is on a near 4 year stretch where he has only fought the best fighters in his division, without a single soft touch in between. In that stretch, he only lost twice and one of them is debatable. That deserves a lot of praise, because no one else in the sport has done the same thing.

[-Kev-]

No one said anything about Froch having some great resume now. Almost all the praise has come because he is on a near 4 year stretch where he has only fought the best fighters in his division, without a single soft touch in between. In that stretch, he only lost twice and one of them is debatable. That deserves a lot of praise, because no one else in the sport has done the same thing.

Lost 3 times actually. None were debatable, sorry.

I don't give credit for who a fighter has faced. I just don't do that, that sounds pitiful to me. It's who they have beaten.

I don't give pity rounds, I don't give pity credit. Sounds to me like Carl Froch is a special ed student who is getting praised for the smallest things he does.

I went from hating Froch, to praising Froch for beating Bute, to now I don't even want to see a thread about him because he's being too overrated. I mean posts like yours, and all of the other posts in this thread is what makes me go against a fighter. "He fights every body", so what? Sounds like he's getting a pat on the head. Just name his wins and move on. I know who he's fought.

[-Kev-]

And lol @ no one is saying Froch has a great resume. when 90% of people are saying that. NSB for you.

[mani1]

Lost 3 times actually. None were debatable, sorry.

I don't give credit for who a fighter has faced. I just don't do that, that sounds pitiful to me. It's who they have beaten.

I don't give pity rounds, I don't give pity credit. Sounds to me like Carl Froch is a special ed student who is getting praised for the smallest things he does.

I went from hating Froch, to praising Froch for beating Bute, to now I don't even want to see a thread about him because he's being too overrated. I mean posts like yours, and all of the other posts in this thread is what makes me go against a fighter. "He fights every body", so what? Sounds like he's getting a pat on the head. Just name his wins and move on. I know who he's fought.

Good post I'm not the biggest Calzaghe fan but the guy was the man in two divisions people are acting like froch has a better record than him because he won two vacant titles and beat an unproven champion.