Froch's resume - nothing legendary

[SirTomJones]

Cobra >> Calslappy

Just no.

[Hitman Hodgson]

When judging a resume it has to be done in context of the era. Yea some of the guys on Froch's resume aren't ATG but they're the best fighters in and around his division. In an era where the best don't fight the best and fighters spend months arguing over PPV money and looking for reasons not to fight Froch is a breath of fresh air. If every fighter were like Froch boxing would be huge again.

[-Kev-]

This is very normal. The overrating of a resume.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327881

Let's not forget, as recent as 2009 there was a poll, with a list of fighters to pick from and the question was, who's the greatest fighter in the last 20 years[1989-2009=20 years]. Pacquiao destroyed the poll. The poll had greats like Jones, Lewis, Holyfield. The poll was missing greats like Pernell Whitaker, Bernard Hopkins, Julio Cesar Chavez, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike Tyson, while both of the Klitschko's, Shane Mosley, Trinidad, De La Hoya, were there.

Now it's not so much that the list sucks, it's how in 2009 after Pacquiao destroyed Cotto, he was picked by so many people, he won the poll unanimously. Jones trailed behind by a country mile, Mayweather was not even close, poor Bernard Hopkins was not even in the poll, Whitaker was non-existent as well.

3 years later, the poll is resurrected, and Jones gets double of the votes he got in 2009[despite losing just about every fight by KO between 09-12], Floyd Mayweather goes from having like 20 votes, to almost 60 now. The poll is being laughed at because Pacquiao leads. People who had picked Pacquiao now admit they were wrong[In just a 3 year span, you go from being the greatest boxer in the last 20 years, to that idea being laughable]. This is what boxing fans do, they get over emotional about one fight.

Bute was the favorite, people praised his non existent handspeed[I always said he was slow, but is a good skillful boxer], I thought Bute was gonna win, a lot of people were leaning towards Bute. He loses, he's a bum, a B fighter, was never any good, "I thought wrong about him", "Great win for Froch though[even though I just said Bute is a hypejob and a bum, it's a great win for Froch, you know that makes a lot of sense].

All of a sudden, despite Bute being a hype job bum who got exposed. Carl Froch's resume becomes legendary because of the win. In the next poll of who is the greatest fighter in the last 20 years, expect Carl Froch to be in there and possibly win 3rd place. It's normal, boxing fans get influenced by one performance.

The funniest thing I have ever read here right after a fight, was actually from a very good poster Cuathmoc1502. After Pacquiao destroyed a past it Margarito in 2010, he made a thread saying that "Pacquiao is the greatest fighter he's ever seen", his reason being Pacquiao's performance against Margarito. "The way he absolutely destroyed Margarito was amazing."

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438824

[Paclan]

He's fought every single top 168 lber

That's a pretty damn good resume.

[IronDanHamza]

This is very normal. The overrating of a resume.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327881

Let's not forget, as recent as 2009 there was a poll, with a list of fighters to pick from and the question was, who's the greatest fighter in the last 20 years[1989-2009=20 years]. Pacquiao destroyed the poll. The poll had greats like Jones, Lewis, Holyfield. The poll was missing greats like Pernell Whitaker, Bernard Hopkins, Julio Cesar Chavez, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike Tyson, while both of the Klitschko's, Shane Mosley, Trinidad, De La Hoya, were there.

Now it's not so much that the list sucks, it's how in 2009 after Pacquiao destroyed Cotto, he was picked by so many people, he won the poll unanimously. Jones trailed behind by a country mile, Mayweather was not even close, poor Bernard Hopkins was not even in the poll, Whitaker was non-existent as well.

3 years later, the poll is resurrected, and Jones gets double of the votes he got in 2009[despite losing just about every fight by KO between 09-12], Floyd Mayweather goes from having like 20 votes, to almost 60 now. The poll is being laughed at because Pacquiao leads. People who had picked Pacquiao now admit they were wrong[In just a 3 year span, you go from being the greatest boxer in the last 20 years, to that idea being laughable]. This is what boxing fans do, they get over emotional about one fight.

Bute was the favorite, people praised his non existent handspeed[I always said he was slow, but is a good skillful boxer], I thought Bute was gonna win, a lot of people were leaning towards Bute. He loses, he's a bum, a B fighter, was never any good, "I thought wrong about him", "Great win for Froch though[even though I just said Bute is a hypejob and a bum, it's a great win for Froch, you know that makes a lot of sense].

All of a sudden, despite Bute being a hype job bum who got exposed. Carl Froch's resume becomes legendary because of the win. In the next poll of who is the greatest fighter in the last 20 years, expect Carl Froch to be in there and possibly win 3rd place. It's normal, boxing fans get influenced by one performance.

The funniest thing I have ever read here right after a fight, was actually from a very good poster Cuathmoc1502. After Pacquiao destroyed a past it Margarito in 2010, he made a thread saying that "Pacquiao is the greatest fighter he's ever seen", his reason being Pacquiao's performance against Margarito. "The way he absolutely destroyed Margarito was amazing."

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=438824

I don't see anyone saying Carl Froch has a legendary resume though.

[-Kev-]

I don't see anyone saying Carl Froch has a legendary resume though.

You don't have to see any one saying it.

That's how they're acting about his resume.


You would think Carl Froch just went through 15 Hall Of Famers, the way his resume is being praised.


I praise Froch for his win over Bute, but that's where the praise stops. Watch Bute get some good wins and people will say, well I guess he's not a bum, he was good afterall.

The whole point of my long post, which you didn't say much about, is how people get influenced after one performance and say crazy things about the winner. Things that they will regret saying eventually.

[-Kev-]

And also, you have to realize "legendary" was more of a form of sarcasm, rather than what people are actually saying.


Like if some one says "Ricky Hatton's defense against Malignaggi was great, Mayweather Sr seemed to have taught him a thing or two."

And then some one responds with "Yeah, Ricky Hatton is the Pernell Whitaker with the elusiveness he showed in there".

[A-Wolf]

Don't go overboard

Good resume but some of the **** I'm reading here is embarrassing and the people who say it must have only been watching boxing for 3 years.

Lets break it down.

Jean Pascal - Went on to win 175 lbs title (top win), Lost to 46 year old Bernard Hopkins comfortably after Calzaghe beat Hopkins 3 years earlier
Jermain Taylor - Lost 2/3 fights before Froch including a crushing knock out, ahead on scorecards and stopped late due to his typical stamina problems. KOed badly once again in fight after Froch - Past prime
Andre Dirrell - Obviously a good fighter but who the hell has he beat? Can someone tell me please? does he have any distinctions? Never a champion or anything - Unproven
Arthur Abraham - Beat 1 guy at 168 and that was Jermain Taylor who had lost 3/4 fights with 2 by KO, way too small from the weight and really hasn't done anything at 168, no real notable wins at 160 either.
Glen Johnson - 43 years old... yes I know he beat Roy Jones like 6 years ago but the guy hasn't beat a good fighter in years. Lost 4 of last 6 with only wins being Yusaf Mack and Allan Green - Past prime
Lucian Bute - Champion in his prime but as many are saying.. untested really, never went in with the best and it showed.

Losses
Kessler - Close but clear loss (IMO) to a guy who has been fighting injuries for a while now, not in his prime anymore. Calzaghe beat prime undefeated Kessler.
Ward - Top fighter in the division by a mile, top 10 p4p.. no shame here.


So what we have is a guy who has beat

2 Past prime fighters (Johnson, Taylor)
2 Unproven (Dirrell... Bute to a degree)
1 Too small in reality with no real notable wins (Abraham)
1 Prime top class fighter (Pascal)

The super 6 convinced a lot of people that these guys are Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran etc.. Truth is some of them were untested going into the super 6 and some still don't have any real top class wins to generate the hype they get.

lol, I got about two sentences in and realized this is a Calzaghe fan.

[IronDanHamza]

You don't have to see any one saying it.

That's how they're acting about his resume.


You would think Carl Froch just went through 15 Hall Of Famers, the way his resume is being praised.


I praise Froch for his win over Bute, but that's where the praise stops. Watch Bute get some good wins and people will say, well I guess he's not a bum, he was good afterall.

The whole point of my long post, which you didn't say much about, is how people get influenced after one performance and say crazy things about the winner. Things that they will regret saying eventually.

All I see is people acting like he defied the odds and pulled off a great win. And, has one of the best resumes of all time at 168 for it.

I don't see how that isn't reasonable and anything "legendary" about saying that.

I agree people over-exaggerate at times straight after an impressive win.

But, I don't see anyone saying anything unreasonable about Froch's resume after last night's win.

[Xercen]

He has fought the best in his division consistently, without a break. Many people expected him to have an easy fight like nearly all fighters would, after the loss from Ward. But no, he faced the #2 168lber (yes nearly everyone thought he was rank 2) straight after. Like the above posts says, we can pick anyones resume apart and be childish about it. I'm pretty sure Froch would have gone to Canada to face Bute if he was able to, because hes simply a warrior.

You can pretty much say he'll fight anyone in his division anywhere despite money, what other fighter can you say that about?

Exactly!

Froch isn't the type of guy who ******* out and demands OST. He just fights anybody anywhere anytime.

A real champion like old times.