Lost all respect for Trinidad, he was a fraud

[Atreyu Khalil]

Listen to this dude right here people, He is a pro fighter, he knows what the **** he is saying, unlike some idiots on here..Tito was a cheater and a ****en Coke head!! Vargas had Tito hurt and what did Tito do, hit Vargas in the balls a few times.. ****k Tito!!!

you have great intel on trinidad......

[onetwopunch]

then why cant he see that shane mosley is beyond washed up ?

good point.

[Barry Halls]

the entire tournament was set up for Trinidad to win it. He was a substantial favorite over both Joppy and Hopkins.

Don't think it was a mistake, he could beat any middleweight other han Hopkins and he was thought of as the favorite even against him.
It was a mistake to "retire". He should have gone down to 154 again and kept on fighting.

[ИATAS]

then why cant he see that shane mosley is beyond washed up ?

he knows he's washed up, but its Shane's decision to fight on and I'm sure Naz likes paydays too.

[Barry Halls]

He did move up to fight Hopkins, it was a middle weight tournament. Tito/Joppy - Hopkins/Holmes . He was suppose to beat Hopkins, Joppy was looked at as the toughest opponent at the time since he was the youngest.

Trinidad was a larger favorite vs. Joppy by a good margin.

And if Trinidad didn't destroy Joppy he would have been less of a favorite going into the Hopkins fight than he was, so that statement doesn't make sense.

[Atreyu Khalil]

he knows he's washed up, but its Shane's decision to fight on and I'm sure Naz likes paydays too.

True.....but Naz was terrible in the corner vs Pac & Canelo. Also I am not sure he knows, listen to him leading up to the last 2 fights....speaking like Shane Mosley still has gas left in the tank

[Atreyu Khalil]

Trinidad was a larger favorite vs. Joppy by a good margin.

And if Trinidad didn't destroy Joppy he would have been less of a favorite going into the Hopkins fight than he was, so that statement doesn't make sense.

this is very true

[onetwopunch]

Trinidad was a larger favorite vs. Joppy by a good margin.

And if Trinidad didn't destroy Joppy he would have been less of a favorite going into the Hopkins fight than he was, so that statement doesn't make sense.

I know, but Joppy was looked at as the tougher opponent, Hopkins was suppose to be the old washed up fighter. I didnt say that Joppy was the favorite in the tournament.

[ИATAS]

True.....but Naz was terrible in the corner vs Pac & Canelo.

I think with Canelo he knew after a few rounds shane wasn't going to win and it was more of a matter of just getting shane to the final bell.

against Pac, I thought he told him some good things but shane was on his bike after the knockdown and simply didn't want to engage in a real fight. I don't think any trainer could have helped shane if shane didn't have it in him to take risks.

[onetwopunch]

True.....but Naz was terrible in the corner vs Pac & Canelo. Also I am not sure he knows, listen to him leading up to the last 2 fights....speaking like Shane Mosley still has gas left in the tank

Naz is a excellent trainer, but what can you do when your fighter cant pull the trigger anymore?..Shane is shot