Toney voted top Heavyweight among all

[Bozo_no no]

what was your point? that world class middleweights have more skill? strap a 50 to 70 pound weight vest on 'em and see if they can still maintain a lot of those quicker moves.

Nope, my point was that the majority of World Class fighters would crack his glass chin if the playing field with the height and size was even.

[Grimgash]

I noticed on a bunch of posts it says, wlad would be favored because hes bigger, so just on that alone, he ranks higher then toney. If Toney goes into a fight unfavored hes not the best heavyweight. Toney has done nothing at heavy except test positive for banned substances resulting in his only crediable win with a NC. Other than that hes beat no one of importance and I will not give him credit based on what hes done at different weights mainly because of the difference. This isn't a 6 lb jump were talking about here. Most people look back to fights he had at middle and say because of skills he showed there he carried them with him to the world stage of the HWT division. The way I see it in boxing your guilty until proven innocent. Talk all you want about him but until he shows he can perform agaisnt the top guys Im not jumping on the bandwagon.

[Bozo_no no]

I noticed on a bunch of posts it says, wlad would be favored because hes bigger, so just on that alone, he ranks higher then toney. If Toney goes into a fight unfavored hes not the best heavyweight. Toney has done nothing at heavy except test positive for banned substances resulting in his only crediable win with a NC. Other than that hes beat no one of importance and I will not give him credit based on what hes done at different weights mainly because of the difference. This isn't a 6 lb jump were talking about here. Most people look back to fights he had at middle and say because of skills he showed there he carried them with him to the world stage of the HWT division. The way I see it in boxing your guilty until proven innocent. Talk all you want about him but until he shows he can perform agaisnt the top guys Im not jumping on the bandwagon.

A poor take.

Toney was the recognized Cruiserweight champion. It's common place for a fighter from a division lower to jump up one division and secure an immediate top ten ranking, and in some cases even an immediate title shot.

Toney's opposition since moving to Heavyweight is no worse than any of the current title holders other than Brewster.

Wlad does not have a title, and has been down 9 times in his last 8 fights, stopped in two of them.

You may not like Toney, but he's a recognized top 5 Heavyweight. End of story.

[Grimgash]

A poor take.

Toney was the recognized Cruiserweight champion. It's common place for a fighter from a division lower to jump up one division and secure an immediate top ten ranking, and in some cases even an immediate title shot.

Toney's opposition since moving to Heavyweight is no worse than any of the current title holders other than Brewster.

Wlad does not have a title, and has been down 9 times in his last 8 fights, stopped in two of them.

You may not like Toney, but he's a recognized top 5 Heavyweight. End of story.

I like Toney, and recognize him as number 4 or 5 just because the divsion is weak but....I don't see him as number 1.

[Bozo_no no]

I like Toney, and recognize him as number 4 or 5 just because the divsion is weak but....I don't see him as number 1.

Point being?

There's NO ONE that anyone can agree on as #1, and it's been that way for years.

That's why this looming title unification tournament is the best thing for the division.

Everyone, regardless of what order they have them, can agree that the top 6 Heavyweights are the 4 who hold the titles, Toney and Wlad.

Squabbeling about the order is an excersize in futility.

They need to fight eachother, one guy unifies, and the liniage is restored.

[Hitman932]

[QUOTE=Bozo_no_no]Point being?

There's NO ONE that anyone can agree on as #1, and it's been that way for years.


Everyone, regardless of what order they have them, can agree that the top 6 Heavyweights are the 4 who hold the titles, Toney and Wlad.

Squabbeling about the order is an excersize in futility.

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brewster, wlad and toney are a step above

rahman, byrd and ruiz.

they also want to fight more

thats my squabble

[STEELHEAD]

Womens bowling is more exciting than the Heavyweight division.

that ice game they play in wisconsin using brooms and something that looks like a trophy is more exciting than hvwt division.

[Leo Pradun]

I'm equally as sick of people using that as an excuse to make them selves feel better about Wlad hitting the deck another 3 times.

One of the three knock downs was from a straight right hand.

The two everyone always cries about were the result of accumulation of punches after Wlad was hurt earlier in the frame, and after several seconds of stumbling around on no legs.

After getting stunned, he was stumbling all around, and grabbing on to Peter.

In doing so, he was constantly turning his head away from punches. In doing so, he was directrly at fault for exposing the back of his head to punches thrown at his head.

This, in combonation with the fact he was stumbling around on no legs, are why the knock downs counted, and rightfully so.

Wlad did escape with a win in that fight, winning it narrowly on the cards despite winning the majority of the rounds.

it wasnt as narrow as u think it was, all 3 judges gave it to him by 3 points i belive i dont think thats narrow...

[Leo Pradun]

well blood, being that he's such a "hype", i'll bet you all of my points that he beats toney if they ever fight. remember to quote this.

ye blood me too, i will do it no doubt...

[Leo Pradun]

And if 90% of World class middleweights were 9 inches taller than Wlad and outweighed him significantly, I'd take a strong majority of them to knock him out.

Wlad would be favored over Toney, because he's naturally twice the size of Toney.

You act as though it makes for a good point to suggest that if Wlad were a bit shorter, it wouldn't matter.

Make them the same size, and Toney is a shoe in to beat Wlad every time.

The only reason Wlad would be favored would be because of the tremendous advantate in Height, size, and reach.

It's a natural miss match were it not for Toney being so skilled and able to get away with fighting at Heavy.

and power wlad has more power also...