All this P.E.D stuff is making me question the history of the sport

[Pacquiao'd]

Of course they cheated back then just like now. its called the most corrupt sport for a reason

[Poet682006]

People need to stop using the abbreviation PED.

Every drug is performance enhancing. Everything. That's modern medicine

Would you go to the doctor and say "Hey doc, I'm feeling really good right now, could you give me something to bring me down a few notches?"

That's malpractice.

Just say steroids, juice or gear.

Except then you get someone like Russian who'll turn around and say "Why are you just talking about steroids?"

[IronDanHamza]

Well according to people with more knowledge than you or I, steroids/PED's mainly started in baseball and football in the Mid/Late 70's.

To make the notion that Ali used, which is something TS talked about, is ridiculous. What about him suggests using????

I just can't imagine boxers using in the 60's when looking at them. Who knows though???

I think the era that had a lot of it was Leonard-Duran-Hagler-Hearns-Holmes.

Why not?

Fighters in the 60's seemed to have better stamina than fighters today.

Look at **** Tiger for example. Chizzled, look's like he's been calved out of wood.

Not saying he was on anything but I don't know how you can say "By looking at them, they look clean".

[Russian Crushin]

Do you have reading comprehension problems or do you just chose to ignore the parts that don't suit your agenda? I spoke very specifically about low doses and high doses. Try again Junior.

Poet

And you don't think experimentation with getting the exact dosage wasn't going on?

Inject too much testosterone and you won't be able to wipe your ass, yet inject a tiny tiny bit and it won't help you a bit

Dosages

[Poet682006]

And you don't think experimentation with getting the exact dosage wasn't going on?

Inject too much testosterone and you won't be able to wipe your ass, yet inject a tiny tiny bit and it won't help you a bit

Dosages

What part of the following aren't you getting? >>>>>

While steroids have been around since the 1930s the problem that you run into is that it wasn't until the late 1980s early 1990s that they were worth a damn for boxing. The crude steroids available before then mad a user muscle bound very quickly which is worthless to a boxer as it kills the reflexes (which are far more important for boxing than muscle). There's a reason why old-school trainers forbade their fighters from lifting weights.

[Russian Crushin]

What part of the following aren't you getting? >>>>>

Oh please never stopped boxing from experimenting with them

And it's all speculation on what could have happened, mostly on ridiculous dosages

For a long time it was thought that pitchers in baseball couldn't be on it because it ruined flexibility

[Poet682006]

Oh please never stopped boxing from experimenting with them

And it's all speculation on what could have happened, mostly on ridiculous dosages

For a long time it was thought that pitchers in baseball couldn't be on it because it ruined flexibility

And they couldn't until the 90s. Apparently what you don't get is that 'roids available to athletes in the past are not the same as the 'roids developed in the more recent past. The steroids available prior to the '80s DID make you muscle bound and they DID screw your reflexes. Steroids that DON'T have those side-effects are a much more recent development.

Poet

[Russian Crushin]

And they couldn't until the 90s. Apparently what you don't get is that 'roids available to athletes in the past are not the same as the 'roids developed in the more recent past. The steroids available prior to the '80s DID make you muscle bound and they DID screw your reflexes. Steroids that DON'T have those side-effects are a much more recent development.

Poet

Steroids don't miraculously make your muscle bound, they did if you worked really hard for simply that result

Another thing is that most of those side effects didn't come out until years later. It's not that you took them and them couldn't bend your arms a min later

Therefore nothing stopped any athlete from those years from at least experimenting with them

[Poet682006]

Steroids don't miraculously make your muscle bound, they did if you worked really hard for simply that result

Another thing is that most of those side effects didn't come out until years later. It's not that you took them and them couldn't bend your arms a min later

Therefore nothing stopped any athlete from those years from at least experimenting with them

Just roll my ****ing eyes your seriously dense :rolleyes9:

[Jack3d]

And they couldn't until the 90s. Apparently what you don't get is that 'roids available to athletes in the past are not the same as the 'roids developed in the more recent past. The steroids available prior to the '80s DID make you muscle bound and they DID screw your reflexes. Steroids that DON'T have those side-effects are a much more recent development.

Poet

Not sure where you are getting your info but Testosterone was the first synthesized steroid and it's still used today and is by no means "crude" or makes you muscle bound. And in the 80's and even earlier than that, there were still tons of steroids available like tren, deca, winstrol among others. There isn't much available today that wasn't available in the 80's.

The issue is not the steroids, it's ignorance on the part of the people who were using and administrating them, which in this case I have to side with Russian. Dosing plays a big part in what you get out of a steroid, along with how you train and how you diet, and boxing is probably the most ignorant sport in existence even today when it comes to understanding the human body and training principles. In some ways boxing, in respect to strength training is still stuck in the 60's. What the reason for that is, I'm not sure