Difference between chin and stamina?

[IronDanHamza]

Bob Satterfield springs to mind when thinking of a fighter with good stamina but a very questionable chin.

[savorduhflavor]

I love Juan Manuel but he is not an ATG. And if having both makes you an ATG then Antonio Margarito is an all-timer too.

For me he his. Obviously I don't mean those are the only reasons.....but they help when combined with his incredibly high skill level and list of accomplishments. As far as I'm concerned he also holds 3 wins over Pacquiao.

[IMDAZED]

For me he his. Obviously I don't mean those are the only reasons.....but they help when combined with his incredibly high skill level and list of accomplishments. As far as I'm concerned he also holds 3 wins over Pacquiao.

Yeah, tough to say. Do you go against the official decisions? Were they big enough of a robbery? That's the conundrum surrounding Marquez' career.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah, tough to say. Do you go against the official decisions? Were they big enough of a robbery? That's the conundrum surrounding Marquez' career.

I didn't consider him an ATG until the 3rd Pacquaio fight.

After that, he was an ATG in my book.

[savorduhflavor]

Yeah, tough to say. Do you go against the official decisions? Were they big enough of a robbery? That's the conundrum surrounding Marquez' career.

Yea, that's a personal preference.

Personally, I think there are such thing as close fights that are robberies.

If Cotto did not get the decision against Shane that would have been a robbery to me. If Paul Williams didn't get the decision against Margarito, that would have been a robbery....close fight but Williams clearly won.

I have seen each Marquez-Pac fight and while sure, all 3 were close, I feel Marquez was a clear winner in all 3. That holds water to me, and I think historically they will be viewed as good as wins by the boxing public.

[IMDAZED]

Yea, that's a personal preference.

Personally, I think there are such thing as close fights that are robberies.

If Cotto did not get the decision against Shane that would have been a robbery to me. If Paul Williams didn't get the decision against Margarito, that would have been a robbery....close fight but Williams clearly won.

I have seen each Marquez-Pac fight and while sure, all 3 were close, I feel Marquez was a clear winner in all 3. That holds water to me, and I think historically they will be viewed as good as wins by the boxing public.

I thought he won two of three so we're not all that off.