Comments Thread For: NSAC: Peterson Not Licensed, Took Testosterone Pellets

[BuckToothed]

Another issue is a testing protocol by WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency]. California does not have a WADA testing requirement in place. Two of Abraham's three fights in the Super Six have involved WADA testing. The fights with Carl Froch [Helsinki] and Jermain Taylor [Berlin] had WADA testing protocols in place, while the fight with Andre Dirrell [Detroit] did not. There is no indication on how big of an issue the WADA testing requirement will become.

This why I have my stance against Ward. That I won't be surprised if he is doping. WADA testing protocol was an issue. At the end of the day they didn't have the testing.

The excuse was because the fight was going to be in California. And, then later another excuse was that it cost too much.

regarding the cost to conduct random Olympic-style drug testing in the weeks leading up to a fight. Exactly how much does it cost?

"It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters. That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not," explained Ward,

However, when the Froch fight was happening, VADA was already up and running and the cost was much cheaper. Hence why this excuse doesn't fly either.

Plus what made this strange is that according to Ward team. The fight was under contract of having OST.

All the participants of the Super Six Tournament, including Froch, contractually agreed upon the World Anti-Doping Agency ("WADA") mandated drug testing for each bout.

The World Anti-Doping Code was implemented in 2004 by sports organizations prior to the Olympic Games in Athens, Greece, blending the rules and regulations governing anti-doping across all sports and all countries. More than 600 sports organizations have adopted the Code to date, including this Super Six Tournament Final bout.

But, that was a lie. Only 2 fights had OST AA vs Taylor and Froch that is it. Do people remember when Froch after negotiations for the finals were done asked about testing Ward. Why would he have to do that or Ward have to look "further into it" if it was already contractual agreed upon? Not sure why team Ward lied about having it contractual agreed upon but they did. Also Ward lied about working with Victor Conte. Whether or not means he is guilty is irrelevant. But, is another indication that he lied. Him and his team have lied about this kinds of issues more than once. But, we shouldn't question cuz' he is the "Son of God"? I don't get it.

Also people point out that Ward did WADA testing in the Olympics true. But, lets not forget that was 2004. During that time WADA was suing the 6:1 T/E testing protocol. They didn't change it to 4:1 until 2005 when Ward was already a pro.

Meaning that if Ward had a level of 5.5x above normal T/E ration in the Olympics he would have come out clean. However, now today his test would have come out positive.

These is the reason why I don't give Andre Ward the benefit of the doubt. And, I have him on the same boat as Pac and any other fighter out there.

Lets give the hypocrites (Ward & Peterson) the benefit of the doubt, even though one lied about doing it and another failing said tests.

[IronDanHamza]

I am 50/50 on it. But, as much bitching and complaining Schafer and Golden Boy are doing. I'm getting the same felling that you are.

I think Golden Boy are going to do all they can to keep all the money they've invested into the fight. They've already indicated that saying if the Commission license him then he can fight. I don't think they'll go out their way to cancel it.

I think Peterson's lawyers are going to do their very best in using things like "Peterson requested the testing" whilst having a Doctor's note for low testosterone or whatever.

It's so strange all these fighter's seem to have low testosterone

[BoxingGenius27]

Did you even read it? It's not just that AA asked for it and it was "issue" but it was all the lies and excuses made afterwards.

Not the same lies and excuses or as many as Pac. But, a lie is a lie and an excuse is an excuse.

He's on the same boat with Pac or anyone who doesn't do testing. No different.

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This is your stance:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...table&id=36099

Another issue is a testing protocol by WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency]. California does not have a WADA testing requirement in place. Two of Abraham's three fights in the Super Six have involved WADA testing. The fights with Carl Froch [Helsinki] and Jermain Taylor [Berlin] had WADA testing protocols in place, while the fight with Andre Dirrell [Detroit] did not. There is no indication on how big of an issue the WADA testing requirement will become".


Here's Ward's stance as of August 2011:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10194.html

BT: What do you think about Floyd wanting Manny to take additional Olympic-style tests? Good? Bad? Don't care?

AW: I think Floyd is on to something. That's kind of a reoccurring theme right now, the fact that everybody is saying that all fighters should take the tests. It's not only great for the fans and people to know, but you're talking about people's lives. If somebody is taking something or doing something that's not right, and they beat a fighter or beat them up, that's just not right, so I think it should get implemented, but getting that information that I just got recently about how much it costs, something is gonna have to give if that's going to be implemented as a whole.

BT: You said you got some information on how much it costs to do Olympic-style testing for a fight?

AW: I was able to do a little research and kind of dig a little bit deeper and actually reach out to the United States Anti-Doping Agency to see how much something like that would cost and the price is staggering. It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters.

BT: Wow. Really?

AW: That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not. That's not something that we've talked about because we're still doing our research, but when it costs that much, it's kind of hard because fighters already have a lot coming out of their purses in many different ways, from sanctioning fees, to managerial fees, to getting taxed on it and so forth, so it's hard to pay that kind of money unless you're making mega-dollars like Floyd and Manny. So I don't know, unless there's some help somewhere, I don't know how fighters are going to foot that bill.

BT: So you're looking to help bring about change to the sport by shedding more light on the subject of improved drug testing policies?

AW: I wanted to take things a step further and impelement it, not just talk about it, and be one of the first to actually do it outside of Floyd Mayweather. I believe Carl is a clean fighter, but I just think that with a fight of this magnitude, it would be great for the sport to implement something like Olympic-style drug testing. The goal is to go through with it even if Carl doesn't want to, but again, the cost could be an issue, so we'll see.

BT: It's funny you mention that because I believe the governor of Nevada just signed into law a bill that will help pay for drug tests for boxers and MMA fighters. You might want to look into that.

AW: That would be awesome. I think that's beautiful. Again, this is something that I came up with on my own, you know, as far as doing the extra research. We actually called and reached out to them, me and my publicist Julie Goldsticker, who works hand in hand with USA Boxing, so she had a contact and we called them. I think if something like that can happen, where the price can be offset or there can be some help, man, if we can implement that, I think it has to be done, especially in this day and age with rumors going around and people wondering and guessing. That way nobody has to wonder and nobody has to guess. Everybody knows.



Whether or not you believe him is on you. Either way, Ward never said "I guess there won't be a fight because Froch/Abraham asks me to test".

[Roman Moreno]

I called it from the beginning. The fact that they are even considering the fight go on with the failed test is laughable. What was the point of the drug tests then?

And, lets be honest how truly big is this fight?

It's not a super fight. Yet there is a question whether or not if this fight will go through.

Imagine a super fight? A true big fight? I have no doubts that a super fight no matter what would go through.

You right, if that's the case then what's the point of the test.

[Russian Crushin]

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This is your stance:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...table&id=36099

Another issue is a testing protocol by WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency]. California does not have a WADA testing requirement in place. Two of Abraham's three fights in the Super Six have involved WADA testing. The fights with Carl Froch [Helsinki] and Jermain Taylor [Berlin] had WADA testing protocols in place, while the fight with Andre Dirrell [Detroit] did not. There is no indication on how big of an issue the WADA testing requirement will become".


Here's Ward's stance as of August 2011:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10194.html

BT: What do you think about Floyd wanting Manny to take additional Olympic-style tests? Good? Bad? Don't care?

AW: I think Floyd is on to something. That's kind of a reoccurring theme right now, the fact that everybody is saying that all fighters should take the tests. It's not only great for the fans and people to know, but you're talking about people's lives. If somebody is taking something or doing something that's not right, and they beat a fighter or beat them up, that's just not right, so I think it should get implemented, but getting that information that I just got recently about how much it costs, something is gonna have to give if that's going to be implemented as a whole.

BT: You said you got some information on how much it costs to do Olympic-style testing for a fight?

AW: I was able to do a little research and kind of dig a little bit deeper and actually reach out to the United States Anti-Doping Agency to see how much something like that would cost and the price is staggering. It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters.

BT: Wow. Really?

AW: That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not. That's not something that we've talked about because we're still doing our research, but when it costs that much, it's kind of hard because fighters already have a lot coming out of their purses in many different ways, from sanctioning fees, to managerial fees, to getting taxed on it and so forth, so it's hard to pay that kind of money unless you're making mega-dollars like Floyd and Manny. So I don't know, unless there's some help somewhere, I don't know how fighters are going to foot that bill.

BT: So you're looking to help bring about change to the sport by shedding more light on the subject of improved drug testing policies?

AW: I wanted to take things a step further and impelement it, not just talk about it, and be one of the first to actually do it outside of Floyd Mayweather. I believe Carl is a clean fighter, but I just think that with a fight of this magnitude, it would be great for the sport to implement something like Olympic-style drug testing. The goal is to go through with it even if Carl doesn't want to, but again, the cost could be an issue, so we'll see.

BT: It's funny you mention that because I believe the governor of Nevada just signed into law a bill that will help pay for drug tests for boxers and MMA fighters. You might want to look into that.

AW: That would be awesome. I think that's beautiful. Again, this is something that I came up with on my own, you know, as far as doing the extra research. We actually called and reached out to them, me and my publicist Julie Goldsticker, who works hand in hand with USA Boxing, so she had a contact and we called them. I think if something like that can happen, where the price can be offset or there can be some help, man, if we can implement that, I think it has to be done, especially in this day and age with rumors going around and people wondering and guessing. That way nobody has to wonder and nobody has to guess. Everybody knows.



Whether or not you believe him is on you. Either way, Ward never said "I guess there won't be a fight because Froch/Abraham asks me to test".

Soooo he changed his mind from no to yes. Just like some other fighter

And just like that other fighter has still to take the test

[BoxingGenius27]

Soooo he changed his mind from no to yes. Just like some other fighter

And just like that other fighter has still to take the test

Who changed from no to yes?

What are you talking about?

[-PBP-]

Does anyone still want to see this fight?

[Roman Moreno]

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This is your stance:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...table&id=36099

Another issue is a testing protocol by WADA [World Anti-Doping Agency]. California does not have a WADA testing requirement in place. Two of Abraham's three fights in the Super Six have involved WADA testing. The fights with Carl Froch [Helsinki] and Jermain Taylor [Berlin] had WADA testing protocols in place, while the fight with Andre Dirrell [Detroit] did not. There is no indication on how big of an issue the WADA testing requirement will become".


Here's Ward's stance as of August 2011:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10194.html

BT: What do you think about Floyd wanting Manny to take additional Olympic-style tests? Good? Bad? Don't care?

AW: I think Floyd is on to something. That's kind of a reoccurring theme right now, the fact that everybody is saying that all fighters should take the tests. It's not only great for the fans and people to know, but you're talking about people's lives. If somebody is taking something or doing something that's not right, and they beat a fighter or beat them up, that's just not right, so I think it should get implemented, but getting that information that I just got recently about how much it costs, something is gonna have to give if that's going to be implemented as a whole.

BT: You said you got some information on how much it costs to do Olympic-style testing for a fight?

AW: I was able to do a little research and kind of dig a little bit deeper and actually reach out to the United States Anti-Doping Agency to see how much something like that would cost and the price is staggering. It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters.

BT: Wow. Really?

AW: That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not. That's not something that we've talked about because we're still doing our research, but when it costs that much, it's kind of hard because fighters already have a lot coming out of their purses in many different ways, from sanctioning fees, to managerial fees, to getting taxed on it and so forth, so it's hard to pay that kind of money unless you're making mega-dollars like Floyd and Manny. So I don't know, unless there's some help somewhere, I don't know how fighters are going to foot that bill.

BT: So you're looking to help bring about change to the sport by shedding more light on the subject of improved drug testing policies?

AW: I wanted to take things a step further and impelement it, not just talk about it, and be one of the first to actually do it outside of Floyd Mayweather. I believe Carl is a clean fighter, but I just think that with a fight of this magnitude, it would be great for the sport to implement something like Olympic-style drug testing. The goal is to go through with it even if Carl doesn't want to, but again, the cost could be an issue, so we'll see.

BT: It's funny you mention that because I believe the governor of Nevada just signed into law a bill that will help pay for drug tests for boxers and MMA fighters. You might want to look into that.

AW: That would be awesome. I think that's beautiful. Again, this is something that I came up with on my own, you know, as far as doing the extra research. We actually called and reached out to them, me and my publicist Julie Goldsticker, who works hand in hand with USA Boxing, so she had a contact and we called them. I think if something like that can happen, where the price can be offset or there can be some help, man, if we can implement that, I think it has to be done, especially in this day and age with rumors going around and people wondering and guessing. That way nobody has to wonder and nobody has to guess. Everybody knows.



Whether or not you believe him is on you. Either way, Ward never said "I guess there won't be a fight because Froch/Abraham asks me to test".

Curious as to why you didn't bold that it was an issue? Weird.

Anyways, in what you posted he was talking about price the cost being too expensive. But, again VADA is cheaper than WADA and VADA was up and running when Froch fight was happening. So you agree that excuse doesn't fly right?

Also he said he wanted it implemented for Froch? Why would he wanted implemented for Froch when apparently it was already contractual agreed upon. According to Ward team? That's contradiction. Did Ward team lied about about it having contractual agreed upon? Like Ward lied about Victor Conte?

Again maybe not the same excuses and lies or as many. But, an excuse is an excuse and a lie is a lie.

He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

[BoxingGenius27]

Curious as to why you didn't bold that it was an issue? Weird.

Anyways, in what you posted he was talking about price the cost being too expensive. But, again VADA is cheaper than WADA and VADA was up and running when Froch fight was happening. So you agree that excuse doesn't fly right?

Also he said he wanted it implemented for Froch? Why would he wanted implemented for Froch when apparently it was already contractual agreed upon. According to Ward team? That's contradiction. Did Ward team lied about about it having contractual agreed upon? Like Ward lied about Victor Conte?

Again maybe not the same excuses and lies or as many. But, an excuse is an excuse and a lie is a lie.

He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

I'm heading to the gym to hit these weights. We'll talk when I get back.

[elfag]

WTF is "“testosterone pellets" ? How unofficial sounding can you be. Do they know what drug he actually took or what his testosterone levels were?

Look at the James Toney and Vargas situations, they named the drug they tested positive for and that was just the standard piss test.