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Originally posted by Bobby Peru
Ok, he didnt ever have trouble making weight. I have seen 4 documentaries on Naz.
Documentries are as biased as ****.
Give me 2 examples (at minimum) of when Naz had to go away and come back ala Castillo, to make the weight. That would be .... never.You asking me for examples without having any yourself.
He always made the weight, and first time round. His frame wasnt massive, and he was a decent athlete so he never found it hard.Never said he had to be weighed more than once. He made the weight, but reports at the time said he had trouble.
And in his own words he never found it hard, nor worried about making weight. He worried about his hair more to be quite honest.
In his own words he also said he would never be knocked down.
Lack of height and reach will cause him major problems. How about no. Do you want me to go and get you some pictures of the "Tale Of The Tape's" and show you those then show you the outcome? In some fights he had a 9-10 inch reach disadvantage and still outboxed outjabbed and outcountered his opponent.
Bigger fighters will find him easier to hit. Wake up. The agile fighters couldnt hit him.
Really? They couldnt even hit him! Kelly snapped his head back with jabs, as did Barrera.
Now you are trying to tell me that John Ruiz would hit him more than them? I simply disagree.....
Use your brain. Im talking about super feather and Lightwieghts, who are fast, and stronger than Naz.
About being put down you mentioned. Daniel Alicea, Kevin Kelley and Augie Sanchez. Of the three fighters Augie Sanchez's were the most legit in terms of score-wise,
He was knocked down by all three, Alicia rocked him, then he fell on his arse. KNOCK DOWN. Did Naz say he was just off balance, and that right hand didnt snap his head back???
Kelly also knocked him down with one flush shot in the 1st. Watch the fight. It was a great shot. And very much a knock down. Unless Naz said different.
and even those didnt count.... Daniel Alicea KD was a blatent slip which took him around about 0.23425 split seconds to get up from.
Irrelevant.
Nevertheless it was counted as a KD, so i will conceed that one, but if you really want to look at that fight. Watch the next round. That is some ownage and one of the best combo's Naz has ever done. Come to think of it, the combo that finished Augie Sanchez and put him in a neck brace and in hospital was one of the best also.
Irrelevant. Finally we come to Kevin Kelley. I think that of the 3 KD's in that fight if that is the number (havent watched in a while) by Kelley, one of them is a decent shot. By no stretch of the imagination did Kelley own him. He didnt outbox him, he got outboxed. Just look at the cards and the result.
And your telling me to watch the fight??? lol
As ive mentioned, he jabs Naz into the ropes, he knocked him down in the first, he lands some huge punches forcing Naz to touch down. He was knocked down, and at times out boxed. Like i said originally.
Barrerra boxed his head off? Go watch the fight again.....
Naz was owned! Simple.
Your seriously biased towards Naz. Maybe im biased against him.
I was a huge fan, but watching him fight Robinson again pissed me off. He is a disrecpectful twat.
Documentries are as biased as ****.
Give me 2 examples (at minimum) of when Naz had to go away and come back ala Castillo, to make the weight. That would be .... never.You asking me for examples without having any yourself.
He always made the weight, and first time round. His frame wasnt massive, and he was a decent athlete so he never found it hard.Never said he had to be weighed more than once. He made the weight, but reports at the time said he had trouble.
And in his own words he never found it hard, nor worried about making weight. He worried about his hair more to be quite honest.
In his own words he also said he would never be knocked down.
Lack of height and reach will cause him major problems. How about no. Do you want me to go and get you some pictures of the "Tale Of The Tape's" and show you those then show you the outcome? In some fights he had a 9-10 inch reach disadvantage and still outboxed outjabbed and outcountered his opponent.
Bigger fighters will find him easier to hit. Wake up. The agile fighters couldnt hit him.
Really? They couldnt even hit him! Kelly snapped his head back with jabs, as did Barrera.
Now you are trying to tell me that John Ruiz would hit him more than them? I simply disagree.....
Use your brain. Im talking about super feather and Lightwieghts, who are fast, and stronger than Naz.
About being put down you mentioned. Daniel Alicea, Kevin Kelley and Augie Sanchez. Of the three fighters Augie Sanchez's were the most legit in terms of score-wise,
He was knocked down by all three, Alicia rocked him, then he fell on his arse. KNOCK DOWN. Did Naz say he was just off balance, and that right hand didnt snap his head back???
Kelly also knocked him down with one flush shot in the 1st. Watch the fight. It was a great shot. And very much a knock down. Unless Naz said different.
and even those didnt count.... Daniel Alicea KD was a blatent slip which took him around about 0.23425 split seconds to get up from.
Irrelevant.
Nevertheless it was counted as a KD, so i will conceed that one, but if you really want to look at that fight. Watch the next round. That is some ownage and one of the best combo's Naz has ever done. Come to think of it, the combo that finished Augie Sanchez and put him in a neck brace and in hospital was one of the best also.
Irrelevant. Finally we come to Kevin Kelley. I think that of the 3 KD's in that fight if that is the number (havent watched in a while) by Kelley, one of them is a decent shot. By no stretch of the imagination did Kelley own him. He didnt outbox him, he got outboxed. Just look at the cards and the result.
And your telling me to watch the fight??? lol
As ive mentioned, he jabs Naz into the ropes, he knocked him down in the first, he lands some huge punches forcing Naz to touch down. He was knocked down, and at times out boxed. Like i said originally.
Barrerra boxed his head off? Go watch the fight again.....
Naz was owned! Simple.
Your seriously biased towards Naz. Maybe im biased against him.
I was a huge fan, but watching him fight Robinson again pissed me off. He is a disrecpectful twat.
Im asking for examples when i dont have any? Bobby, i asked you for 2 examples to demonstrate your point. You said he found it hard making weight. You recognised that as a legit point (which it isnt) so i asked you for 2 instances of when he failed to make the weight or whatever. Now would you like to provide one. Why do i need to provide examples? Im not the one making ****** points/posts.
Weighted more than once = trouble getting to weight. Coming in under your opponent or dead on with your opponent is not having trouble.....
You didnt answer the height or reach paragraph at all......
Kelley snapped his head back, oh and Barrerra. You obviously missed the other 30 odd fights....
He was knocked down by all 3 fighters? Yes he was, but he was never sparked cold out, he never stayed on the deck longer than 4 seconds, and at least 70% of the reason was the fact that he was his own worst enemy with balance etc.
Why was my combo point irrelevant. I was showing to you, the narrow minded picture you are putting across. You mention Kelley. Kelley got owned by Naz. Naz took the piss almost on Wayne McCullough proportions that night, and finished him off with one of the nicest single shots i have seen him throw....
You keep ****ing bringing Kelley up. Do you even know the result of that fight? It was a clean KO!!! out on the ****ing matt. KO/TKO! Gone. Done. Dusted. Kelley hit him with some good shots. Now tell me the shots Naz replied with.....
He was disrespectful against Robinson? You clearly have not seen much Naz. He was showboating a lot in that fight. But did you even see the end. The sportsmanship. The respect both had...
Go figure.
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