Has Naseem still got it?

[EXIGE]

EXIG ... got that PM about boxrec. It's Pac that I'd like to see Naz fight, after porving himself in a solid warm-up. I think his chances are far better against pac than either Marquez, Barrera or Morales, at whatever weight they agree on.

Pac has only one game plan, which he cannot be successful when he deviates from. he's extremely prdeictable and not very adjustable in the ring. Sure he's trainable, but his corner can't get him to adjust well during a fight. I figure if Naz has anything left it'll be his power and Pac is ripe for getting hit while comin' in.

Naz's biggest challeng won;t be how to hit Pac (as it was with Barrera), it'll be how to avaoid him, which I figure he could do also.

Naz KO Pac inside 9, seriously.

This comes from a guy who is NOT a Naz fan by any stretch.

Wow, are you serious...

I wouldnt right Pac off that quick, but i would definetly agree with your opinion for obvious reasons.

Damn! All this talk is getting my mind back onto Naz and all that. Naz - Pac would be a must see, and no1 can deny it. That fight could make 2006, boxing-wise.....

Im obviously biased though....

Anyway im off to get my beauty sleep. Not that i need it....

Peace out.

[Zn1]

Wow, are you serious...

I wouldnt right Pac off that quick, but i would definetly agree with your opinion for obvious reasons.

Damn! All this talk is getting my mind back onto Naz and all that. Naz - Pac would be a must see, and no1 can deny it. That fight could make 2006, boxing-wise.....

Im obviously biased though....

Anyway im off to get my beauty sleep. Not that i need it....

Peace out.

sorry for the pac-nas hoax. it would be great while nas lasted

[The Noose]

1) True
2) False to the point that i think you have seen no more than 3 Naz fights.
3) False. If there is a stronger word than False.

Good argument!


10 Years ago, when he won the festherwieght title, they (commentaters/"experts") were saying how as he got older he was having trouble making the weight...remember???

Oh, wait, you were a 10 year old back then! You have repeatedly said, you are just getting into boxing, so wtf would u know as a 10 year old?

And as for point 3 being false...are you saying he wasnt caught, and put down several times?

Daniel Alicea
Kevin Kelly
Augie Sanchez

All put him down, Barrera boxed his head off.

These, are called FACTS!

How are they false? Time to take your head out of your princes's arse.

[Moon]

nas did alot better than barrera did against pacquiao

Barrera facing Naz and Barrera facing Pac are two different worlds, and can't be simply compared that way.

I expect a focused and conditioned Naz would beat Pac, but would lose to Barrera. The likelyhood of Naz being both focused and condtioned is very unlikely though.

[Moon]

Wow, are you serious...

I wouldnt right Pac off that quick, but i would definetly agree with your opinion for obvious reasons.

Yes, very serious. And, I'm not writing-off Pac simply because I say Naz could beat him. I look at Pac as a top-tier fighter with some serious limitations, which Naz could very well exploit. But, this chatter assumes that Naz shows-up ready and focused.

[TuPrincipe]

Has Nassem still got it?

He could end up to go on an amazing comeback but who knows?

We haven't even seen him fight yet so we shouldn't specualte on anything.

[Manny_P]

EXIG ... got that PM about boxrec. It's Pac that I'd like to see Naz fight, after porving himself in a solid warm-up. I think his chances are far better against pac than either Marquez, Barrera or Morales, at whatever weight they agree on.

Pac has only one game plan, which he cannot be successful when he deviates from. he's extremely prdeictable and not very adjustable in the ring. Sure he's trainable, but his corner can't get him to adjust well during a fight. I figure if Naz has anything left it'll be his power and Pac is ripe for getting hit while comin' in.

Naz's biggest challeng won;t be how to hit Pac (as it was with Barrera), it'll be how to avaoid him, which I figure he could do also.

Naz KO Pac inside 9, seriously.

This comes from a guy who is NOT a Naz fan by any stretch.

Pac TKO Naz in 5 rounds!

Nas's head leanin back to back is perfect target fo Pac's traight left hands. He'd eat bombs all night becuz of the way he hangs his head way up. All his head do is lean back. Pac would target it all night!

and Pac hits harder than Nas. Nas may have natural power, but Pac destroys him at 130lbs! Nas power will decrease at 130lbs IMO. It would be hard as hell fo Nas to go down to 126lbs.

Nas coulnt even hurt Barrera, and Pac TKOed Barrera.


Trust me when I say this, once Naz taste a straight punch from Pac, ESPECIALLY a Pac of 126lbs, he's goin down in no mo than 4 rounds.

[Void]

Pac TKO Naz in 5 rounds!

Nas's head leanin back to back is perfect target fo Pac's traight left hands. He'd eat bombs all night becuz of the way he hangs his head way up. All his head do is lean back. Pac would target it all night!

and Pac hits harder than Nas. Nas may have natural power, but Pac destroys him at 130lbs! Nas power will decrease at 130lbs IMO. It would be hard as hell fo Nas to go down to 126lbs.

Nas coulnt even hurt Barrera, and Pac TKOed Barrera.


Trust me when I say this, once Naz taste a straight punch from Pac, ESPECIALLY a Pac of 126lbs, he's goin down in no mo than 4 rounds.

Nas also didn't train hard, didn't spar, nothing before he fought Barrera. Also, Pac fans use the "gloves" excuse so I'm going to use the "training camp was moved for Barrera" excuse because that totally ****ed him up.

[EXIGE]

Good argument!


10 Years ago, when he won the festherwieght title, they (commentaters/"experts") were saying how as he got older he was having trouble making the weight...remember???

Oh, wait, you were a 10 year old back then! You have repeatedly said, you are just getting into boxing, so wtf would u know as a 10 year old?

And as for point 3 being false...are you saying he wasnt caught, and put down several times?

Daniel Alicea
Kevin Kelly
Augie Sanchez

All put him down, Barrera boxed his head off.

These, are called FACTS!

How are they false? Time to take your head out of your princes's arse.

Wrong, this post will take a while to answer cos i have to get your quotes together then prove them wrong. I will edit this post.....

EDIT: Right on the weight issue you said this...

He had trouble making weight at featherweight ... where i think his lack of height and reach will cause major problems, plus the fact that the bigger fighters ... will find him easier to hit.

Ok, he didnt ever have trouble making weight. I have seen 4 documentaries on Naz. Give me 2 examples (at minimum) of when Naz had to go away and come back ala Castillo, to make the weight. That would be .... never. He always made the weight, and first time round. His frame wasnt massive, and he was a decent athlete so he never found it hard. And in his own words he never found it hard, nor worried about making weight. He worried about his hair more to be quite honest.

Lack of height and reach will cause him major problems. How about no. Do you want me to go and get you some pictures of the "Tale Of The Tape's" and show you those then show you the outcome? In some fights he had a 9-10 inch reach disadvantage and still outboxed outjabbed and outcountered his opponent.

Bigger fighters will find him easier to hit. Wake up. The agile fighters couldnt hit him. Now you are trying to tell me that John Ruiz would hit him more than them? I simply disagree.....



About being put down you mentioned. Daniel Alicea, Kevin Kelley and Augie Sanchez. Of the three fighters Augie Sanchez's were the most legit in terms of score-wise, and even those didnt count.... Daniel Alicea KD was a blatent slip which took him around about 0.23425 split seconds to get up from. Nevertheless it was counted as a KD, so i will conceed that one, but if you really want to look at that fight. Watch the next round. That is some ownage and one of the best combo's Naz has ever done. Come to think of it, the combo that finished Augie Sanchez and put him in a neck brace and in hospital was one of the best also. Finally we come to Kevin Kelley. I think that of the 3 KD's in that fight if that is the number (havent watched in a while) by Kelley, one of them is a decent shot. By no stretch of the imagination did Kelley own him. He didnt outbox him, he got outboxed. Just look at the cards and the result.

Barrerra boxed his head off? Go watch the fight again.....

[jabsRstiff]

Why would Naseem Hamed be more focused & determined, now, than he was back in '99-2001 ?
If you remember, he was looking crappy during those years, as well.

He's done, IMO.