Whats the Differences between Old ATG vs New Greats??

[CHOWWOKKA]

Nostalgia. They want to feel they were apart of the best era of whatever it is. I am 21 so what ever happened during the 90's was the best to me, games music movies

[IMDAZED]

My quetion is this... why do older ppl feel that the fighters of old (Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Ali ect.) are so much better than the great fighters of recent years (Roy Jones, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, De La Hoya, Klitschkos ect.)


I'm just curious

Watch a tape of them.

[New England]

there were more fighters

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they fought more often

they made less at the top, but they made much more at the local level because they could fight and draw well so often


in the 50's there were more pro boxers in the state of new york than there are pros all over the world today

many of them were heavyweights (175 lbs or higher in those days,)


it's a whole can of worms you're opening, son

[Danny Gunz]

Nostalgia. They want to feel they were apart of the best era of whatever it is. I am 21 so what ever happened during the 90's was the best to me, games music movies

This.....

edit: now that I think about it I dont want to get in this debate again

[boliodogs]

Everything was harder back then. Far less weight classes & belts. Meaning the way to becoming a champion wasn't easy.

Anyway consider this. Right now between 126-147 there are 5 weight classes. Back in the day they were only 3. So a fighter moving up in weight now can break records that never existed back then. A fighter now has 4 world titles to choose from & can pick the weakest champ to win a championship against. That's only scratching the surface.

Most of this is true. However many people believe the 130 lb. class and the 140 lb. class have not been around very long, but these two weight classes have been a part of pro boxing for a very long time. Champions of these weights were almost as respected as champions of the 135 and 147 weight classes.The junior lightweight tittle started in November 18,1921 when Johnny Dundee beat George Chaney for the vacant tittle. Famous boxers to win this tittle include Benny Bass in 1929 and Kid Chocolate who KOed Bass in 1931. This weight class was dropped from pro boxing at the end of 1933. It was brought back in 1949 with Sandy Saddler winning the vacant tittle. The weight class was again dropped for 10 years but came back to stay in 1959. The 140 lb. class started in 1925 and it was also dropped from time to time. It was here to stay when Carlos Ortiz KOed Kenny Lane for the Vacant tittle in 1959. Famous fighters Barney Ross and Tony Canzoneri fought for this tittle in 1933 with Ross winning a decision. The WBC and the WBA showed up in the late 1960s to screw things up. The IBF showed up in the mid 1980s to screw things up even more. The fact that these two weight classes were dropped from time to time is proof alot of people think they are unnecessary because the weights are to close together. How about 105, 108, 112, 115, 118, and 122 ? Do we need all those? Sorry about all the history. I got carried away.

[LoadedWraps]

Nostalgia. They want to feel they were apart of the best era of whatever it is. I am 21 so what ever happened during the 90's was the best to me, games music movies

True, but the 90's actually did have better things in sports, movies, and music going on than many decades around it. And many people still consider people like Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Jerry West, and Rocky Marciano legendary, yet were not alive to see them in action. So a counter-argument can be made against the "biased to my era" flaw.

there were more fighters

venues

they fought more often

they made less at the top, but they made much more at the local level because they could fight and draw well so often


in the 50's there were more pro boxers in the state of new york than there are pros all over the world today

many of them were heavyweights (175 lbs or higher in those days,)


it's a whole can of worms you're opening, son

This.

Watch a tape of them.

Absolutely!

[SkillspayBills]

Skills wise not much. Athletically the Newer Greats are more evolved than the older legends. Career wise though.........it's just ****ing easier in this day and age. You can be "groomed" to be champion you can duck fighters this and that. Legends in the older days fought each other multiple times and the best made it out top point blank period.

[istmeno]

Back in the day when there was a question as to who the better fighter was, it was answered in the ring by the fighters. today too often it is argued by fans on a message board.

[sicko]

BECAUSE THEY WERE BETTER!

Someone post "People Want To Feel Like Their ERA WAS BETTER"...well that goes hand and hand, the younger boxing fans OVERRATE Mayweather and Pacquiao because they want to feel like their favorite current fighters are fighting in the "BEST ERA" and deep down we all know that is a bunch of BS

This current ERA is one of the weakest ERA's EVER, just a bunch of very AVERAGE FIGHTERS being HYPED UP AS THE NEXT BIG THING...they don't EARN THE HYPE, it is handed to them based on everything besides their SKILLS IN THE RING!

Not many classic rivalries or matches, fighters don't want to fight each other, promoters don't want to work with each other, way too many titles

[EveryDayDrew]

It doesn't help the argument for current ATGs that past champions fought against the backdrops of societal changes like WW2 and civil right movements and the like...Fans who grew up during classic fights associate them to their lives and remember where they were and the excitement they felt stayed with them more than now where if a fighter loses at all they are a bum...fighters were alot more respected...

But you can't forget about the corruption...fighters taking dives...fighters still ducked there just wasn't as much coverage to it as opposed to now...

You should look up and discover fighters for yourself sometime. You'll see similarities between current and past fighters if just in things that current fighters picked up from the fighters they grew up watching.