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It's not the same, at all. Floyd dominated JM at 144, Pac arguably lost to an evern older JMM at 144. Floyd fought Oscar at 154 lbs, and no one thought that was really a SD. Manny fought him at 145, a weight he hadn't made in 8-9 years.Comment
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Pac fought JMM at his best weights minus the 3rd fight, Floyd didn't just cuz Floyd beat him doesn't mean he beat the best version JMM is NOT a welter i would expect Ortiz and Cotto to TKO JMM at welter... and the only reason JMM did great against pac was he was in way better shape and knew pac and pac is a small welterComment
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JMM proved by arguably beating Pac that he could fight well at 144. Mayweather is just better. I'm not saying he beat the best version of JMM, but to compare Floyd beating JMM to Pac beating Oscar isn't parallel at all. Oscar didn't prove he could fight well at 145 at that point, he hadn't fought there in 8-9 years. JMM just proved last November that he could fight well at 144. So therefore, Floyd should get some credit for that.Pac fought JMM at his best weights minus the 3rd fight, Floyd didn't just cuz Floyd beat him doesn't mean he beat the best version JMM is NOT a welter i would expect Ortiz and Cotto to TKO JMM at welter... and the only reason JMM did great against pac was he was in way better shape and knew pac and pac is a small welterComment
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then why was pac such a huge underdog in that fight? captain hindsight? no JMM came in flabby and jumped up 2 weight classes to fight Floyd and Floyd didn't even make the catch weight, just because JMM has Manny's number doesn't mean he would do good at welter i would pick Ortiz,Berto, Cotto and a slew of other welters to beat himJMM proved by arguably beating Pac that he could fight well at 144. Mayweather is just better. I'm not saying he beat the best version of JMM, but to compare Floyd beating JMM to Pac beating Oscar isn't parallel at all. Oscar didn't prove he could fight well at 145 at that point, he hadn't fought there in 8-9 years. JMM just proved last November that he could fight well at 144. So therefore, Floyd should get some credit for that.Comment
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I for one never thought Oscar was going to beat him or that it would be close, did you???then why was pac such a huge underdog in that fight? captain hindsight? no JMM came in flabby and jumped up 2 weight classes to fight Floyd and Floyd didn't even make the catch weight, just because JMM has Manny's number doesn't mean he would do good at welter i would pick Ortiz,Berto, Cotto and a slew of other welters to beat him
And he jumped 2 weight classes to fight Pac as well. And you're coming at me with the "he was flabby, didn't train right" excuse??? I thought you were better than that. To suggest JMM didn't train hard enough or right for his biggest fight ever is just ridiculous.
Again, Marquez proved he could fight effectively at 144 lbs, those 2 lbs weren't the reason Marquez lost, get outta here. Oscar didn't prove he could fight effectively at 145 lbs anymore, period.Comment
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Pac should get credit for DESTROYING Hoya then since he was coming off a close loss to Floyd just months ago..........I for one never thought Oscar was going to beat him or that it would be close, did you???
And he jumped 2 weight classes to fight Pac as well. And you're coming at me with the "he was flabby, didn't train right" excuse??? I thought you were better than that. To suggest JMM didn't train hard enough or right for his biggest fight ever is just ridiculous.
Again, Marquez proved he could fight effectively at 144 lbs, those 2 lbs weren't the reason Marquez lost, get outta here. Oscar didn't prove he could fight effectively at 145 lbs anymore, period.
the only reason Floyd fans talk about the JMM win so much is that Floyd's resume is weak as **** and it's one of his best wins even though JMM has never ever been close to being the best in that weight class
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Did you watch that fight live??? NO ONE thought that fight was really close or a SD, get real man. And Pac fought him 1 1/2 years later at 145 lbs, where he hadn;t been in 8-9 years. Floyd at least fought him while he was a Top 3 SWW, the only really legit title holder there aside from Spinks, and at 154 lbs. No, Pac doesn't deserve credit for beating Oscar at 145 lbs in 2008. Maybe if Oscar had fought on at 145 lbs and got a good win there, proving he could still fight that weight, it'd be different.Pac should get credit for DESTROYING Hoya then since he was coming off a close loss to Floyd just months ago..........
the only reason Floyd fans talk about the JMM win so much is that Floyd's resume is weak as **** and it's one of his best wins even though JMM has never ever been close to being the best in that weight class
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Not on anyone's d**k, but comparing those two fights is asinine man. Again, Marquez just proved he can fight well at 144 lbs, therefore Floyd deserves at least a little credit for that win. Oscar never proved he could fight well at 145 again, since he hadn;t been there in 8-9 years, that's what I saying. Grow up.
If Floyd has a weak resume, than guys like Cotto and Tszyu, 2 good examples, have horrible resume's.
Never seen a guy with wins over Genaro Hernandez (WBC/RING SFW CHAMP), Angel Manfredy (#1 SFW contender), Goyo Vargas (Top 10 SFW), Diego Corrales (#1 SFW/#5 P4P), Carlos Hernandez (Top 10 SFW), Jesus Chavez (Top 10 SFW), Jose Luis Castillo (WBC LW champ/#1 LW), DeMarcus Corley (Top 10 JWW), Arturo Gatti (WBC JWW champ/#2 JWW), Zab Judah (IBF WW champ/Top 5 WW), Carlos Baldomir (WBC/RING WW champ), Oscar De La Hoya (WBC SWW champ/#3 SWW), Ricky Hatton (#8 P4P), Juan Manuel Marquez (#2 P4P), Shane Mosley (WBA WW champ/#1 WW/#3 P4P), Victor Ortiz (WBC WW champ/#2 WW), and now Miguel Cotto (WBA SWW champ/#1 SWW) most likely, get s**t on so bad, and I've been watching the sport for a long time.
I know you probably weren't watching back then during the majority of those fights, so you don't remember those fighters going into those fights. It's okay though.Last edited by 4Corners; 05-01-2012, 03:32 PM.Comment
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then why hasn't floyd manny yet? if pac sucks so much why hasn't he fought him?Did you watch that fight live??? NO ONE thought that fight was really close or a SD, get real man. And Pac fought him 1 1/2 years later at 145 lbs, where he hadn;t been in 8-9 years. Floyd at least fought him while he was a Top 3 SWW, the only really legit title holder there aside from Spinks, and at 154 lbs. No, Pac doesn't deserve credit for beating Oscar at 145 lbs in 2008. Maybe if Oscar had fought on at 145 lbs and got a good win there, proving he could still fight that weight, it'd be different.
Not on anyone's d**k, but comparing those two fights is asinine man. Again, Marquez just proved he can fight well at 144 lbs, therefore Floyd deserves at least a little credit for that win. Oscar never proved he could fight well at 145 again, since he hadn;t been there in 8-9 years, that's what I saying. Grow up.
If Floyd has a weak resume, than guys like Cotto and Tszyu, 2 good examples, have horrible resume's.
Why Hasn't Floyd fought Pac then? old ass JMM did it thrice and Floyd can't do it once?
Never seen a guy with wins over Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Goyo Vargas, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, and now Miguel Cotto most likely, get s**t on so bad, and I've been watching the sport for a long time.
I know you probably weren't watching back then during the majority of those fights, so you don't remember those fighters going into those fights. It's okay though.Comment
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