Comments Thread For: Chad Dawson: Bernard Hopkins Fights Like a 35-Year-Old

[Bacatit]

A lot of people must have lost a lot of money on the first Hop vs Dawson fight.

Bernard's defense was impeccable and nobody really noticed it !!!

Go watch Dawson at the end of the fight. Dawson stood his ground but got his heart broken.

[Boxingwizard]

A lot of people must have lost a lot of money on the first Hop vs Dawson fight.

Bernard's defense was impeccable and nobody really noticed it !!!

Go watch Dawson at the end of the fight. Dawson stood his ground but got his heart broken.

It wasn't impeccable, because if it was, he would have won the fight. But according to compubox Dawson landed more punches, and if you watch the fight closely, he obviously did.

[deuce_drop]

yup, see thats what these scrubs on here dont understand man. I told them before that just from Chad's praise of Hopkins after the fight, the fight was a lot closer than people are saying. Again, i thought it was an even fight but gave Hopkins close rounds because he is a 47 year old legend fighting a prime young strong fighter.

if chad thought Hopkins wasn't effective at all and didn't earn his respect he would not have praised him like he did. he is happy that he got the decision because he knows it could have gone the other way.

exactly man.... I wonder how old school slick fighters would fair in boxing today with the scoring and how it's done.

effective aggressiveness is just an excuse to favorite a fighter over another, it makes no sense, and is never use correctly, as for the EFFECTIVE part.

a fighter can't be EFFECTIVE in backing up? setting traps? positioning his opponent and making the opponent miss? countering the opponent doesn't get scored? WTF, it's like some orwellian double speak/newspeak.

hopkins is the end of an era, losing like this is real crappy, because a guy like him and what he was doing last night, should be revered and revered and respected in the scoring. he was the champ, close rounds should and usually go to the champ, you have to normally take it from the champ but it seems when hopkins does get the belt, the establishment will take it from him for the other fighter, it seems to be a pattern really.

rios abril comes to mind of the same scoring issues, as well as a plethora of other fights and examples.

old school slick fighters are being forced out of boxing, that style is being forced into extinction by the scoring criteria.... soon, to no longer be the sweet science.

[deuce_drop]

It wasn't impeccable, because if it was, he would have won the fight. But according to compubox Dawson landed more punches, and if you watch the fight closely, he obviously did.

no if you watch closely, and know your history with hopkins vs hbo and compubox, SCORING AREAS ON HOPKINS ARE : ARMS, SHOULDERS, BACK, AND GLOVES......

dawson was fanning down the front row all fight long, nuances, learn them, it's being lost in boxing...

effective aggressiveness is a tool to cause confusion on the scoring, it doesn't make sense how it's used, you need to be effective in what? being more active, but not landing on scoring areas or landing cleanly? how is that effective.

i've watched the fight 3x's now, and all I can see is a master in ring generalship in hopkins, a defensive and counter punching clinic. the hbo crew just glossed over any thing or didn't mention anything hopkins was doing in there, but they were gagging on dawsons shaft trying to empty his balls on air last night.

4 lead right hands by hopkins in a row, and hbo only talked about dawson, as dawson was whiffing and having his punches being picked off by hopkins, a theme throughout the fight.

the outcome of the fight is what it is, but the lack of respect and acknowledgement in what hopkins did and has accomplished at his age, in a young mans sport, is ridiculous beyond all common sense.

if dawson won by one round it would be ok, but again the hack judging wins again, only one guy had the scoring right, and all the spin doctors are at work.

dawson's praise of hopkins after the fight is all you need to know on how he felt about it...... dawson was blown away, mesmerized if you will.

[charlieg]

Hopkins didn't win rounds 1&2. Round 9 and 11 could of went either way.

I had it 8-4 Dawson. Dawson won rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 11.

Dawson didn't win rounds 1&2 either. They were tepid rounds with very few clean punches.

Dawson was given points for simply throwing more; the fact that Hopkins made him miss the vast majority of punches apparently doesn't count for ring generalship. (BTW I thought the compubox stats were AWFUL for this fight, as apparently they counted any shot that Hopkins caught with a glove).

I thought Hopkins style counted against him for the judges. Had he looked a little less clumsy and a little less negative with fewer fouls, I think he would have taken the close rounds because he was schooling Dawson at times - although more defensively than offensively. Saying that, I thought Dawson adapted well. He picked up on the lead left, and did well to ignore the garbage advise of his corner to go for body shots when they would have left him open.

The HBO commentary was disgusting. It was blatantly biased. They frequently failed to call significant shots by Hopkins. They frequently called shots that missed by Dawson. I can't fathom how a commentator can declare shots, see the slow motion replay, admit that he was wrong, then continue to make the same mistake for the rest of the fight.

Dawson did not WIN the fight. He did not clearly WIN many rounds. He was NOT the champion going in to the fight. The old saying, "You have to take the championship" is no longer true.

Dawson was rewarded for persevering and working hard - he did not shut down like Pascal. He took Bernard's shots well, did not lose his composure over the negative tactics, and stuck to his task. He adapted, he found a new strategy - the lead left - that Hopkins never quite answered. However the HBO scoring and the wide margins were a disgrace. People are blind if they thought Dawson landed much at all. Hopkins defense was very solid and he was scoring, just not as often as perhaps was required to make sure of rounds.

Hopkins did not WIN the fight either. He did not clearly WIN many rounds. He struggled with Chad Dawson's size, and hence looked clumsy trying to charge him. If you could look past that, he was the one landing the most effective shots for the majority of the fight.

If you only count the number of clean, solid shots landed in a round, then Hopkins wins the fight. The problem with catching so many shots on your gloves is that it appears like you get hit more than you actually do.

Respect to Bernard for still being able to teach a young lion a lesson at this level. Respect for Dawson for showing heart, digging deep, and not quitting in the ring like Pascal did.

One last thing; the ref was too lenient on Hopkins. He should have deducted a point for use of the head. (Although the head clash that opened up that nasty gash on Dawson's temple was perhaps the only case of Dawson boring with his head, which I found ironic.)

[Boxingwizard]

no if you watch closely, and know your history with hopkins vs hbo and compubox, SCORING AREAS ON HOPKINS ARE : ARMS, SHOULDERS, BACK, AND GLOVES......

dawson was fanning down the front row all fight long, nuances, learn them, it's being lost in boxing...

effective aggressiveness is a tool to cause confusion on the scoring, it doesn't make sense how it's used, you need to be effective in what? being more active, but not landing on scoring areas or landing cleanly? how is that effective.

i've watched the fight 3x's now, and all I can see is a master in ring generalship in hopkins, a defensive and counter punching clinic. the hbo crew just glossed over any thing or didn't mention anything hopkins was doing in there, but they were gagging on dawsons shaft trying to empty his balls on air last night.

4 lead right hands by hopkins in a row, and hbo only talked about dawson, as dawson was whiffing and having his punches being picked off by hopkins, a theme throughout the fight.

the outcome of the fight is what it is, but the lack of respect and acknowledgement in what hopkins did and has accomplished at his age, in a young mans sport, is ridiculous beyond all common sense.

if dawson won by one round it would be ok, but again the hack judging wins again, only one guy had the scoring right, and all the spin doctors are at work.

dawson's praise of hopkins after the fight is all you need to know on how he felt about it...... dawson was blown away, mesmerized if you will.

Those punches were blocked, Dawson has good defense too. Letterman gave Hopkins the 11th round, but Dawson scored a big combination before he was tackled to the ground. Rounds 6, 9, 11, and 12 can go either way, stop bull****ting that Dawson didn't deserve to win. Rounds 1, 2, 5, 8, 10 were definitely Dawson's round. I gave rounds 6 and 11 to Dawson.

Also Dawson had two cuts in his eyes which most likely affected his performance. Just remember Hopkins couldn't mount an offense, I can't give respect to a man who has to use his head, and clinch every second.

[Mr. Philadel]

smh @ compubox stats being used in debates....can't sale us bs, we know the prices!!...Chad won...and props to him for being a real dude at the end of the day!!...its his time to rep now!!!

[bojangles1987]

smh @ compubox stats being used in debates....can't sale us bs, we know the prices!!...Chad won...and props to him for being a real dude at the end of the day!!...its his time to rep now!!!

Kind of messed up to see people that slammed Compubox for the Pacquiao-Marquez 3 fight now using it to back their cases in this fight.

[I Love Jesus!]

yup, see thats what these scrubs on here dont understand man. I told them before that just from Chad's praise of Hopkins after the fight, the fight was a lot closer than people are saying. Again, i thought it was an even fight but gave Hopkins close rounds because he is a 47 year old legend fighting a prime young strong fighter.

if chad thought Hopkins wasn't effective at all and didn't earn his respect he would not have praised him like he did. he is happy that he got the decision because he knows it could have gone the other way.

it was a close fight. hopkins did damage and not with his head. they both landed good. hopkins as more accurate but dawson was stronger. people complaining are just big pus$ies who think its a tickling contest. i know dawson dont look to good today.

[I Love Jesus!]

Effective at what? Slowing the pace? Sure. Landing the occasional punch and roughing him up in the inside, with the head and wrestling tactics? Sure. Effective in winning the actual boxing match, OR EVEN COMING CLOSE..HELL NO.

he landed more then an occasional punch. he was landing the right a lot.