Donaire peers......

[4Corners]

Here's what The Ring had to say about Moreno this morning:

Moreno (33-1-1, 12 KOs) has victories over Wladimir Sidorenko (twice), Nehomar Cermeno (twice) and an aging Vic Darchinyan, which is impressive.

So apparently Moreno's best win is an afterthought for Donaire.

Moreno beat Sydorenko first and when he was one of the Top BW's......

Cermeno was a damn good win, and Darchinyan was a solid win, but Donaire and Mares get more credit for their wins over him because they beat him first.

[Roman Moreno]

Here's what The Ring had to say about Moreno this morning:

Moreno (33-1-1, 12 KOs) has victories over Wladimir Sidorenko (twice), Nehomar Cermeno (twice) and an aging Vic Darchinyan, which is impressive.

So apparently Moreno's best win is an afterthought for Donaire.

Meh, Darchinyan is not Moreno best win. Maybe his most recognizable win but not his best win.

[4Corners]

Meh, Darchinyan is not Moreno best win. Maybe his most recognizable win but not his best win.

Agree......and he's talking about Moreno's best wins are afterthoughts for Donaire, didn't Moreno beat Sydorenko, who Donaire wound up fighting coming off the loss to Moreno??? Thought so.

[HeroBando]

Meh, Darchinyan is not Moreno best win. Maybe his most recognizable win but not his best win.

I was talking about Sidorenko, he didn't even make 4CK's Donaire "also rans" list, yet he's one of Moreno's flagship wins. Keeping in mind Donaire only made a pitstop at 118, you can't say there was better comp for him to fight up till now. We'll see about 122, WV2 is fine to start with, -> Mijares -> Arce not so much. But as the OP says, it's no worse than whoever the top 122ers are fighting, probably better.

[Roman Moreno]

I was talking about Sidorenko, he didn't even make 4CK's Donaire "also rans" list, yet he's one of Moreno's flagship wins. Keeping in mind Donaire only made a pitstop at 118, you can't say there was better comp for him to fight up till now. We'll see about 122, WV2 is fine to start with, -> Mijares -> Arce not so much. But as the OP says, it's no worse than whoever the top 122ers are fighting, probably better.

WV2 was not fine to start with. A guy that had lost to what is/was a considered a shot small Arce recently going into the fight is not fine to start with.

Yes you can say there was better comp for him to fight.

And, more importantly then who is when. Darchinyan might be Donaire best win but it's not Moreno best win. Because, the when is better than the who. Moreno beat Sydorenko when Sydorenko mattered at 118. When Donaire fought Sydoreno, he didn't matter anymore. Matter of fact Sydorenko wasn't even campaigning at 118 anymore. He went down to campaign at 115 and came back up for Donaire. And, Donaire took away Sydorenko best weapon and attribute and that's the home field advantage. It is harder beating Sydorenko in Germany than here. Go ask Cordoba, Poonsawat, and Agbeko.

[F l i c k e r]

like I already said in that Moreno puts Donaire on his short list thread....

May as well start the ducking threads now.

[HeroBando]

WV2 was not fine to start with. A guy that had lost to what is/was a considered a shot small Arce recently going into the fight is not fine to start with.

Yes you can say there was better comp for him to fight.

And, more importantly then who is when. Darchinyan might be Donaire best win but it's not Moreno best win. Because, the when is better than the who. Moreno beat Sydorenko when Sydorenko mattered at 118. When Donaire fought Sydoreno, he didn't matter anymore. Matter of fact Sydorenko wasn't even campaigning at 118 anymore. He went down to campaign at 115 and came back up for Donaire. And, Donaire took away Sydorenko best weapon and attribute and that's the home field advantage. It is harder beating Sydorenko in Germany than here. Go ask Cordoba, Poonsawat, and Agbeko.

That might be persuasive if I hadn't seen Donaire WS. No amount of home court or prime form would have helped Sid see the late rounds.

WV2 was the Ring's top 10, and probably top 10 in ability, an ok choice when moving up. Not worse than David Diaz, or Sharmba, or Yuri Foreman, or Andy Kolle. He sputtered in one fight; has Rico Ramos impressed you more?

[Roman Moreno]

That might be persuasive if I hadn't seen Donaire WS. No amount of home court or prime form would have helped Sid see the late rounds.

WV2 was the Ring's top 10, and probably top 10 in ability, an ok choice when moving up. Not worse than David Diaz, or Sharmba, or Yuri Foreman, or Andy Kolle. He sputtered in one fight; has Rico Ramos impressed you more?

Those in the bold was terrible, they weren't fine. Yuri Foreman hasn't lost and it was after Cotto was coming from a dominating lost. So that one is different the other ones were not fine pretty bad. Same with WV2 so we agree on that.

And, first the first paragraph maybe, maybe not...You don't know what kind of ref and shenanigans would happen in Germany. I saw Robin Reid get a warning for punching Sven Ottke in the face. Think about that for a second.

And, your post doesn't take away the fact that when is more importantly than who. Sydorenko didn't matter when Donaire beat him. He mattered when he fought Moreno...Darchinyan mattered when he fought Donaire he didn't really matter when he fought Moreno. Maybe he mattered more than Sydorenko did since he beat Perez. But, the point is the when is more important than who. There is no point in Darchinyan career that he could **** with Moreno. But, I can't give Anselmo credit for something he didn't do. You can't give Donaire credit for something he didn't do. Fighting fighters when they're irrelevant is not the same when fighting fighters who are relevant.

[4Corners]

That might be persuasive if I hadn't seen Donaire WS. No amount of home court or prime form would have helped Sid see the late rounds.

WV2 was the Ring's top 10, and probably top 10 in ability, an ok choice when moving up. Not worse than David Diaz, or Sharmba, or Yuri Foreman, or Andy Kolle. He sputtered in one fight; has Rico Ramos impressed you more?

Top 10 by default. At least Rico Ramos had KO'd Shimoda to win his title, better than anything WV2 has done. WV2's only step up he got TKO'd by Arce. How the hell was that a good fight for Donaire??? Why do people talk about WV2 as if he's a Top 122 lb fighter or some s**t???

And at least Yuri Foreman had beaten Santos to win his title, and it was when Cotto was bouncing back after Pac to try and win a title at 154. That was fine. WV2 was not fine by any means for Donaire.

[Light_Speed]

Donaire's win over Montiel is better than any single win on any other bantamweight's resume. Yes he's gonna have a couple gimmies until he steps up for a big fight against either Nishioka or at 126 against Salido. Low risk-low reward and high risk-high reward, that's how the game works when you're in the driver's seat. Don't hate the player hate the game.