Donaire peers......

[Elotero]

Nishioka- Inactive for almost a year

Arce- Fighting untested Jesus M Rojas in June at 118

Moreno- Just beat title challeger David De La Mora at 118

Mares- Just beat Eric Morel flyweight champ from almost a decade ago at a catchweight of 120 for a 122 title

Rigo- Fighting Teon Kennedy next

Donaire- Rumored to be fighting Mijares or IBF titlist Jeffery Mathebula

None of his peers have exactly been fighting a murders row of opponents. IMO WV2 beats everybody that his peers have been/will be lined up against (Teon Kennedy, Eric Morel, De La Mora, Rojas.) If Donaire has been fighting "soft touches" lately what does that say about his peers? Thoughts???

The reason theyre fighting cans is because Donaire wont fight them.

They all want a crack at Donaire. That's the money fight.

These fights are just keep busy fights until he eventually decides or is forced to pull one of their names out of his hat.

Why is Morel a can for being a flyweight champ almost 10 years ago but Arce considered a peer

[Roman Moreno]

The reason theyre fighting cans is because Donaire wont fight them.

They all want a crack at Donaire. That's the money fight.

These fights are just keep busy fights until he eventually decides or is forced to pull one of their names out of his hat.

Why is Morel a can for being a flyweight champ almost 10 years ago but Arce considered a peer

Well the fighters who are having keep busy fights waiting on Donaire should get as much if not more blame than Donaire.

And, because Arce has done more at 122 in stopping Vazquez than Morel has done in the last 7 years.

Not exactly rocket science here.

[Elotero]

Donaire is in his 4th weight class now, and he's already 29. He's beaten Darchinyan, Maldonado, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, and Vazquez Jr. His Flyweight resume was solid, all of those fighters were in the Top 10 there at Flyweight, and Darchinyan was Top 10 P4P at the time. Hernan Marquez was an alright win, but he wasn't even in the Top 10 when Nonito beat himand it was an interim title. Montiel was a really good win at 118, he was Top 10 P4P. Still, there were so many other fighters at 118 he didn't fight (Perez, Agbeko, Mares, Moreno, etc). He still has chances to get some of those on his reusme though, so we'll see. And Vazquez Jr was Top 10 at 122 by default I guess. He's never beaten anyone and got TKO'd by Arce in his only step up.

His resume is lacking for being 29 and going through 4 weight classes.

By the time someone like Floyd was entering his 4th weight class, he'd beaten far better fighters. He'd beaten G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, G. Vargas, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, Corley, Gatti, and Judah. Genaro was the lineal champ at 130, the best SFW in the world. Manfredy was the #1 SFW contender in the world and had just beaten a prime Gatti prior to fighting Floyd. G. Vargas was a Top 10 SFW at the time, was coming off beating Tackie, who would go on to have fights with Tszyu, Mitchell, and Hatton. Corrales was the #1 SFW in the world and #5 P4P, unbeaten. C. Hernandez and Chavez were both Top 10 SFW's and would on to win titles, and fight Morales. Castillo was the lineal champ at 135, coming off beating Bazan and Johnston, would also go on to have more good wins in his career, the best LW of his era. Corley was a Top 10 JWW coming off a close loss to Judah. Gatti was the 2nd best JWW in the world, coming off wins over Leija and Dorin, held the WBC title. And Judah was a Top 10 WW at the time as well, though he was coming off a loss.

When comparing to Donaire to the point he's at his career, to other great fighters, his resume is lacking for the amount of hyope he receives.

H Marquez was coming off a loss where he took a real good beating.

[HeroBando]

Donaire is in his 4th weight class now, and he's already 29. He's beaten Darchinyan, Maldonado, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, and Vazquez Jr. His Flyweight resume was solid, all of those fighters were in the Top 10 there at Flyweight, and Darchinyan was Top 10 P4P at the time. Hernan Marquez was an alright win, but he wasn't even in the Top 10 when Nonito beat himand it was an interim title. Montiel was a really good win at 118, he was Top 10 P4P. Still, there were so many other fighters at 118 he didn't fight (Perez, Agbeko, Mares, Moreno, etc). He still has chances to get some of those on his reusme though, so we'll see. And Vazquez Jr was Top 10 at 122 by default I guess. He's never beaten anyone and got TKO'd by Arce in his only step up.

His resume is lacking for being 29 and going through 4 weight classes.

By the time someone like Floyd was entering his 4th weight class, he'd beaten far better fighters. He'd beaten G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, G. Vargas, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, Corley, Gatti, and Judah. Genaro was the lineal champ at 130, the best SFW in the world. Manfredy was the #1 SFW contender in the world and had just beaten a prime Gatti prior to fighting Floyd. G. Vargas was a Top 10 SFW at the time, was coming off beating Tackie, who would go on to have fights with Tszyu, Mitchell, and Hatton. Corrales was the #1 SFW in the world and #5 P4P, unbeaten. C. Hernandez and Chavez were both Top 10 SFW's and would on to win titles, and fight Morales. Castillo was the lineal champ at 135, coming off beating Bazan and Johnston, would also go on to have more good wins in his career, the best LW of his era. Corley was a Top 10 JWW coming off a close loss to Judah. Gatti was the 2nd best JWW in the world, coming off wins over Leija and Dorin, held the WBC title. And Judah was a Top 10 WW at the time as well, though he was coming off a loss.

When comparing to Donaire to the point he's at his career, to other great fighters, his resume is lacking for the amount of hyope he receives.

Here's what The Ring had to say about Moreno this morning:

Moreno (33-1-1, 12 KOs) has victories over Wladimir Sidorenko (twice), Nehomar Cermeno (twice) and an aging Vic Darchinyan, which is impressive.

So apparently Moreno's best win is an afterthought for Donaire.

[crold1]

Nishioka- Inactive for almost a year

Arce- Fighting untested Jesus M Rojas in June at 118

Moreno- Just beat title challeger David De La Mora at 118

Mares- Just beat Eric Morel flyweight champ from almost a decade ago at a catchweight of 120 for a 122 title

Rigo- Fighting Teon Kennedy next

Donaire- Rumored to be fighting Mijares or IBF titlist Jeffery Mathebula

None of his peers have exactly been fighting a murders row of opponents. IMO WV2 beats everybody that his peers have been/will be lined up against (Teon Kennedy, Eric Morel, De La Mora, Rojas.) If Donaire has been fighting "soft touches" lately what does that say about his peers? Thoughts???

Nishioka has not been out for 'almost a year.' It's a little over half a year. That's like when little summer kids say they are almost 9 around Christmas time.

[MJ223]

Donaire is in his 4th weight class now, and he's already 29. He's beaten Darchinyan, Maldonado, Mthalane, H. Marquez, Montiel, and Vazquez Jr. His Flyweight resume was solid, all of those fighters were in the Top 10 there at Flyweight, and Darchinyan was Top 10 P4P at the time. Hernan Marquez was an alright win, but he wasn't even in the Top 10 when Nonito beat himand it was an interim title. Montiel was a really good win at 118, he was Top 10 P4P. Still, there were so many other fighters at 118 he didn't fight (Perez, Agbeko, Mares, Moreno, etc). He still has chances to get some of those on his reusme though, so we'll see. And Vazquez Jr was Top 10 at 122 by default I guess. He's never beaten anyone and got TKO'd by Arce in his only step up.

His resume is lacking for being 29 and going through 4 weight classes.

By the time someone like Floyd was entering his 4th weight class, he'd beaten far better fighters. He'd beaten G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, G. Vargas, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, Corley, Gatti, and Judah. Genaro was the lineal champ at 130, the best SFW in the world. Manfredy was the #1 SFW contender in the world and had just beaten a prime Gatti prior to fighting Floyd. G. Vargas was a Top 10 SFW at the time, was coming off beating Tackie, who would go on to have fights with Tszyu, Mitchell, and Hatton. Corrales was the #1 SFW in the world and #5 P4P, unbeaten. C. Hernandez and Chavez were both Top 10 SFW's and would on to win titles, and fight Morales. Castillo was the lineal champ at 135, coming off beating Bazan and Johnston, would also go on to have more good wins in his career, the best LW of his era. Corley was a Top 10 JWW coming off a close loss to Judah. Gatti was the 2nd best JWW in the world, coming off wins over Leija and Dorin, held the WBC title. And Judah was a Top 10 WW at the time as well, though he was coming off a loss.

When comparing to Donaire to the point he's at his career, to other great fighters, his resume is lacking for the amount of hyope he receives.

Quick ? How many top 10 P4P fighters have his peers beat going into their fights?

Original ? Have Donaires peers really been facing the much tougher competition then Donaire has in their most recent/next fights?

Last ? What does Floyd have to do with this???

[Jack Napier]

Nonito been catching a lot of flak lately
the timing is right for an explosion at 122
if all these guys are willing to step it up, we got a series of good fights
Nonito's done what he had to do to this point
not crazy about the Mijares fight if it happens, or Arce if that happens
but expect to see him unify at 122 within the next year
first and foremost, want that damn Mares fight

[MJ223]

Well the fighters who are having keep busy fights waiting on Donaire should get as much if not more blame than Donaire.

And, because Arce has done more at 122 in stopping Vazquez than Morel has done in the last 7 years.

Not exactly rocket science here.

That's what I was thinking.......

[MJ223]

Nishioka has not been out for 'almost a year.' It's a little over half a year. That's like when little summer kids say they are almost 9 around Christmas time.

Whats your thoughts on the rest of the post Cliff???

[4Corners]

Quick ? How many top 10 P4P fighters have his peers beat going into their fights?

Original ? Have Donaires peers really been facing the much tougher competition then Donaire has in their most recent/next fights?

Last ? What does Floyd have to do with this???

I was just comparing Donaire to an ATG fighter who catches hell every 5 seconds on here. You don't think Donaire's resume is seriously lacking considering he's 29, in his 4th weight class, and Top 5 P4P???

You can't use that excuse with Mares man about not fighting tough competition. Morel was his first soft touch in awhile.

And you rexcuse about "His peers out there haven't been fighting murders row" is weak due to the fact that he's foguht f**king Narvaez, Vazquez Jr, and now Mijares in a row now.......that alone throws that excuse out man.

And whyd o you keep bringing up Wilfredo Vazquez Jr as if he's some sort of Top 122 lb fighter or something??? He took his first step up against Jorge Arce and got TKO'd. He has done NOTHING. Rico f**king Ramos is more proven by knocking Shimoda out then WV2 is.

And it's funny you never bring up Donaire FLAT OUT SAYING he won't fight Rigondeaux because he's boring......and you defend that s**t??? Keep it 100, don't give the guy passes he shouldn't be getting.

His last 3 fights (if he indeed does fight Mijares) have been weak as hell, and his 5 fights prior to the Montiel fight were ehhhhhhh or crap as well. Hernan Marquez was alright, but he was coming off a beatdown and wasn't even a Top 10 Super Flyweight at the time. Concepcion and Vargas were crap, and Raul Martinez was a guy who was unbeaten, but not in the Top 10 at Flyweight and hadn't done anything. Sydorenko was an alright win, but again, he was coming right off losing to Moreno, and hadn't done anything significant since losing to Moreno.

Donaire is alikable inside and outside the ring, aside from his wannabe Roy Jones crap he tries. But, the guy gets so many passes from his fans and others, especially on here, that it's hard as hell to like the guy.