Comments Thread For: Chad Dawson Still Believes "Hopkins Wanted To Quit!"

[djtmal]

Wow Bernard the most overrated boxer huh? That is the same thing people said about Floyd, Roy Jones and About half of the Legends in Boxing. While some hate Bernard for his "dirty boxing", while others praise it. The fact is it is boxing not wrestling, mma, or football. Bernard to this day, I believe hold the Most middleweight title defenses in the history of boxing, then to move up and down in weight in his later career, is why Bernard is such a great fighter. People are doing exactly what Hopkins want; doubt him, put him as an underdog, and say he should retire. He will do what he has done for the last 20 year, disappoint the people who reject his greatness and make his fans/ boxing fans watch him come out on top. Another historical night for the career of Bernard Hopkins and a decline of a career for Dawson.
Keep on forgetting the fights that made him who is is. Felix, Roy, Pavlik, Pascal, Tarver, De La Hoya, Wright, and excetra.

lol...there is a big, big difference, between fmj, jones, manny pac, marquez, etc., and bernard hopkins...all of those guys started off boxing at one weight, dominated that weight, then moved up to seek bigger men, and bigger challenges...hopkins on the other hand, started out at 175, lost, and scaled down to 160 over a 2-year period, to beat up on smaller men in a weak middleweight divison, and rack up 20 title defenses, against the most unidentifiable assemblage of weak middleweights in boxing history, outside of blown up welterweights oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad, and simon brown...only thing he's done in 20 years, is manage to con his way into the boxing history books, while inventing dirty tactics, and fake injuries....real hof/atg stuff there...any time this fool, fought an equally sized, equally talented fighter (prime roy, taylor, calzaghe) he lost...there is a legit reason, why hopkins has ducked chad dawson for years, is because dawson is equally sized, equally talented, isn't interested in hanging on movie sets with stallone, and isn't going to tolerate the garbage fighting, that hopkins gets off, on every two divisions smaller, lesser talented fighter...dawson, had hopkins speechless, at the press conference, hopefully he leaves, all 20 of hopkins fans speechless, after april 28th

[charlieg]

There are some deluded pricks in here, there really is. Or maybe unintelligent fools, or maybe a combination of both.

Let's look at the facts.

Power punches. Hopkins, 10/23. Dawson, 4/25.

2nd round power punches. Hopkins, 5/12. Dawson, 1/10.

2nd round jabs. Hopkins 1/4. Dawson, 1/14.

Yeah, Hopkins - who is like a crescendo in fights as he takes over his opponents, is landing with a 40%+ rate with his main offense, and outlanding Dawson. Dawson is basically missing, a lot.

That alone tells any person with a brain that Hopkins had every reason to continue the fight, because he was winning it already - something he normally takes 3-4 rounds to start doing.

What's all this information about contracts and being forced into fights? A fighter, who has been his own manager for the majority of his career, basically makes all his own decisions, was somehow hoodwinked into fighting Dawson? How ignorant do you have to be to think this.

Holy mary this place has some real morons posting on it.

I look forward to appreciating BHops victory on the 28th. The man is a legend. True boxing fans appreciate the subtleties to his ability to take an opponent out the game and get his shots off. True boxing fans marvel at a 46 year old man becoming the world champion. True boxing fans understand that some fighters do bend rules, and live by the sword, die by the sword. Hopkins put up with countless rabbit punches from Pascal and took it like a man. He goes in to battle, to hit without getting hit. Just because you only like Gatti and face first defense fighting, that doesn't make you a boxing fan - it makes you a blood thirsty lowlife.

Did Dawson throw Hopkins? Did Hopkins rush Dawson and go over Dawson? A combination of both, but it was a definite throw. Again, facts. One camera angle clearly showed the glove of Dawson losing grip on the leg of Hopkins as he lifted him. Whether it was premeditated or a reaction to Hopkins rushing him, he threw him. It was illegal. Hopkins diving over him was illegal. It is up to the referee to deal with these things and not up to Dawson to dish out retribution. It should have been a DQ, but a NC and rematch was a better outcome for the real boxing fans who want to see a piece of history.

[IronDanHamza]

There are some deluded pricks in here, there really is. Or maybe unintelligent fools, or maybe a combination of both.

Let's look at the facts.

Power punches. Hopkins, 10/23. Dawson, 4/25.

2nd round power punches. Hopkins, 5/12. Dawson, 1/10.

2nd round jabs. Hopkins 1/4. Dawson, 1/14.

Yeah, Hopkins - who is like a crescendo in fights as he takes over his opponents, is landing with a 40%+ rate with his main offense, and outlanding Dawson. Dawson is basically missing, a lot.

That alone tells any person with a brain that Hopkins had every reason to continue the fight, because he was winning it already - something he normally takes 3-4 rounds to start doing.

What's all this information about contracts and being forced into fights? A fighter, who has been his own manager for the majority of his career, basically makes all his own decisions, was somehow hoodwinked into fighting Dawson? How ignorant do you have to be to think this.

Holy mary this place has some real morons posting on it.

I look forward to appreciating BHops victory on the 28th. The man is a legend. True boxing fans appreciate the subtleties to his ability to take an opponent out the game and get his shots off. True boxing fans marvel at a 46 year old man becoming the world champion. True boxing fans understand that some fighters do bend rules, and live by the sword, die by the sword. Hopkins put up with countless rabbit punches from Pascal and took it like a man. He goes in to battle, to hit without getting hit. Just because you only like Gatti and face first defense fighting, that doesn't make you a boxing fan - it makes you a blood thirsty lowlife.

Did Dawson throw Hopkins? Did Hopkins rush Dawson and go over Dawson? A combination of both, but it was a definite throw. Again, facts. One camera angle clearly showed the glove of Dawson losing grip on the leg of Hopkins as he lifted him. Whether it was premeditated or a reaction to Hopkins rushing him, he threw him. It was illegal. Hopkins diving over him was illegal. It is up to the referee to deal with these things and not up to Dawson to dish out retribution. It should have been a DQ, but a NC and rematch was a better outcome for the real boxing fans who want to see a piece of history.

He threw pretty much nothing. No one was winning and neither were in control at that point.

It looked to me like Hopkins was a little uncomfortable in there.

[charlieg]

He threw pretty much nothing. No one was winning and neither were in control at that point.

It looked to me like Hopkins was a little uncomfortable in there.

He was controlling the action more than Dawson. The numbers don't lie. Dawson was missing. He was flailing.

Irrelevant anyway... even if it was "neutral" at that point, what you're trying to say is that Hopkins, who got up off the canvas several times in the early rounds against Pascal, felt a bit uncomfortable so decided to quit.

Are you kidding me? Don't you think he would have found a way to quit against a guy who WAS landing HARD punches and KNOCKING HIM DOWN???

Where is the logic? Where is the common sense? If you think Hopkins quit, you're either so biased that you can't see the forest for the trees, or just plain ignorant. Either position is not one to be proud of.

[-Spinal-]

There are some deluded pricks in here, there really is. Or maybe unintelligent fools, or maybe a combination of both.

Let's look at the facts.

Power punches. Hopkins, 10/23. Dawson, 4/25.

2nd round power punches. Hopkins, 5/12. Dawson, 1/10.

2nd round jabs. Hopkins 1/4. Dawson, 1/14.

Yeah, Hopkins - who is like a crescendo in fights as he takes over his opponents, is landing with a 40%+ rate with his main offense, and outlanding Dawson. Dawson is basically missing, a lot.

That alone tells any person with a brain that Hopkins had every reason to continue the fight, because he was winning it already - something he normally takes 3-4 rounds to start doing.

What's all this information about contracts and being forced into fights? A fighter, who has been his own manager for the majority of his career, basically makes all his own decisions, was somehow hoodwinked into fighting Dawson? How ignorant do you have to be to think this.

Holy mary this place has some real morons posting on it.

I look forward to appreciating BHops victory on the 28th. The man is a legend. True boxing fans appreciate the subtleties to his ability to take an opponent out the game and get his shots off. True boxing fans marvel at a 46 year old man becoming the world champion. True boxing fans understand that some fighters do bend rules, and live by the sword, die by the sword. Hopkins put up with countless rabbit punches from Pascal and took it like a man. He goes in to battle, to hit without getting hit. Just because you only like Gatti and face first defense fighting, that doesn't make you a boxing fan - it makes you a blood thirsty lowlife.

Did Dawson throw Hopkins? Did Hopkins rush Dawson and go over Dawson? A combination of both, but it was a definite throw. Again, facts. One camera angle clearly showed the glove of Dawson losing grip on the leg of Hopkins as he lifted him. Whether it was premeditated or a reaction to Hopkins rushing him, he threw him. It was illegal. Hopkins diving over him was illegal. It is up to the referee to deal with these things and not up to Dawson to dish out retribution. It should have been a DQ, but a NC and rematch was a better outcome for the real boxing fans who want to see a piece of history.

You could throw less and land less, and look more effective.

Example, Dawson outlanded Pascal, with only 6 more punches throw than him. But who was the one that actually looked effective throughout the fight? It was Pascal.

Total punches landed:
Dawson: 134 out of 436
Pascal: 116 out of 430

Jabs:
Dawson: 57 out of 219
Pascal: 24 out of 178

I like using compubox and all, but I only use it when it makes sense to use. Hopkins did not look effective at all against Dawson in those two rounds. Regardless of what he threw or landed.

[26 and Live]

Hopkins quit man... And he was making an ugly unconvincing face when Chad was calling him a pussi...


I also saw that other clip where he dove outta the ring and said somebody pushed him...

It's not even remotely fun to watch that stuff, let alone defend it.

[IronDanHamza]

He was controlling the action more than Dawson. The numbers don't lie. Dawson was missing. He was flailing.

Irrelevant anyway... even if it was "neutral" at that point, what you're trying to say is that Hopkins, who got up off the canvas several times in the early rounds against Pascal, felt a bit uncomfortable so decided to quit.

Are you kidding me? Don't you think he would have found a way to quit against a guy who WAS landing HARD punches and KNOCKING HIM DOWN???

Where is the logic? Where is the common sense? If you think Hopkins quit, you're either so biased that you can't see the forest for the trees, or just plain ignorant. Either position is not one to be proud of.

Not really. I think Dawson looked more in control. Either way, no one was clearly on control.

Not sure. Perhaps he was looking for a DQ win as opposed to quitting? Who knows.

All I do know is he lay on the mat, rolling around when he come have got up had he wanted.

Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

[IronDanHamza]

You could throw less and land less, and look more effective.

Example, Dawson outlanded Pascal, with only 6 more punches throw than him. But who was the one that actually looked effective throughout the fight? It was Pascal.

Total punches landed:
Dawson: 134 out of 436
Pascal: 116 out of 430

Jabs:
Dawson: 57 out of 219
Pascal: 24 out of 178

I like using compubox and all, but I only use it when it makes sense to use. Hopkins did not look effective at all against Dawson in those two rounds. Regardless of what he threw or landed.

Wow, never seen those stats before.

Dawson didn't look like he outlanded Pascal to me.

[charlieg]

Once Hopkins knew he wasn't going to bully and scare Dawson, he found a way out. Motherfuckers fight with broken jaws, orbital bones, etc and still keep fighting.

Another ignorant position. A dislocated orbital bone basically immobilizes the arm. If you think that a guy should fight 10+ rounds with 1 arm, especially when it was inflicted by a deliberate foul, then you (as well as being a pathetic lowlife) are advocating that the rule book be ditched in boxing. **** the gloves, get rid of that padding. Real men fight on with busted up faces. **** dead legs, allow knees and kicks. Real men take their licks. **** the ring, throw your opponent out of it. Real men climb back in and fight on, regardless of what damage is done. That's the mentality you are advocating.

It is what it is. I don't hate on Chad Dawson for it. He was frustrated, he bent the rules. Stuff happens. It ****** that Hopkins got injured. It ****** for Chad Dawson, it ****** for Bernard Hopkins, it ****** for everybody involved, it ****** for all the fans there and all the fans watching at home. Nobody won. Chad Dawson didn't want the fight to end like that. Bernard Hopkins didn't want the fight to end like that. Dawson is blaming Hopkins, Hopkins is blaming Dawson, nobody wants to take responsibility when it lies with both fighters - Hopkins for diving in, Dawson for throwing him. The rematch is what we get. If Hopkins was "scared" he wouldn't be in the rematch.

If fans could just accept this basic truth and look forward to the rematch the same way they anticipated the first fight, then everybody would suffer less from the general bile contaminating the public discourse surrounding this contest.

[charlieg]

I like using compubox and all, but I only use it when it makes sense to use. Hopkins did not look effective at all against Dawson in those two rounds. Regardless of what he threw or landed.

You're trying to divert the point.

The point isn't that Hopkins was dominating Dawson. He wasn't. (I thought he was being more effective, that's subjective.) The point - the irrefutable point - is that Dawson was struggling to land. 2 punches in the 2nd round. That's a very low number by any reasonable standard. 4/25 power shots. The only time that kind of activity wins a fight is when your opponent lands NOTHING.

Dawson was doing nothing to make Hopkins want to quit. Other than shoulder throwing him down and injuring him. It's an irrefutable fact. If you refute it, you're only showing that you are not able to look at the matter impartially.