Who will leave boxing with the best legacy out of Toney, Jones and Hopkins?

[The Fix]

Fix, he didn't let Roy bum rush him and beat on him until he got knocked the **** out. Toney just couldn't reach Roy because of Roy's reflexes and fighting style.

Yes Roy was in good shape for that fight. He was still young and was nice-n-ripped in the fight.

Your comparison would be valid had Roy knocked Toney unconscious for 2 minutes, but that didn't happen to Toney it happened to Roy...TWICE!

roy had little resitance at all from toney, roy pounded on toney until the fight was over. toney maybe won one round in that fight.

Yes Roy was in good shape for that fight. He was still young and was nice-n-ripped in the fight.

you cant be serious, the johnson fight was roy at his absolute worst, he wasnt ripped for that fight and and even looked kind of fat for roys standards.btw he was 34

[oldgringo]

There's no nitpicking. It's NC. That's Toney's fault, period.

Additonally, Hops was not hit with the punch Roy got hit with, and Taylor could NOT deliver such a punch. Also, Hops was not jobbed. Now I know you're crazy. Don't bull**** me. Most fans thought Taylor won, and rightfully so. Maybe you should look at the early round that shoulda NEVER been scored for Hops instead of whining about the last round.

Hops has a record of title defenses, so what? It's a number, dude, It doesn't trump anything Roy did, period. Roy was champ at 175 for some 7-8 years, and? The only thing that matters is names and Roy has the better ones on his resume.

Hops is the most dangerous 40 yr old, but he is still old and he proved it by losing to a guy he woulda KO'd 3 years ago.

Again, the only way Hops would ever beat Roy is by mauling him, and Hops was as good a MAULER in 93 as he ever was, The problem was the man he was mauling: Roy Jones. Roy would always beat Hops, and he DID beat Hops. Hops improved boxing skills don't mean much to Roy. I guess you're gonna tell me he would outbox Roy in 2001? Right...

Anyway, that's all I have to say on the issue. I can tell you love those hardcore street guys like Toney and Hops and will never get over that to give a country bumpkin like Roy props, but whatever, Peace.



A highly disupted win versus a past-his-prime Hagler, in Hagler's last fight. And, Thurman Thomas lasted longer than Barry, does that make him better?

Anyway, that's all I have to say on the issue. I can tell you love those hardcore street guys like Toney and Hops and will never get over that to give a country bumpkin like Roy props, but whatever, Peace.

I didn't say it wasn't Toneys fault...but we all know who won the fight.

So you thought Hopkins won the 12th round right? You're saying the same thing that some hard-headed analyst on TV said. "Hopkins should have never put himself in a position like that by winning the early rounds"...meh...I know you're trying to make your points look pretty but common sense should outweigh trying to look good on a message board debate.

"Joe Louis has the record for HW title defenses...nah so what it's just a number and he never really beat any great fighters in that period" There I said it just so you can see how ****** that looks from a different perspective amigo.

Most fans thought Taylor won...hmmm that's funny because most writers and boxing analysts thought Hopkins won. I wonder who I should side with...joe schmoe who thinks Taylor should have won because he missed a million punches or writers who score on things other than being uneffectively aggressive

So basically what you're saying is that boxing skill means nothing when it comes to fighting Roy Jones? Wow why don't you just go the whole 9 yards and call him the sweet lord above himself...

Hagler was still a very dangerous fighter...saying otherwise makes you look silly. Also, Leonard was pretty damaged old goods by that time too. And stop with the analogy because IT DOESN"T WORK HERE. Barry retired because he didn't want to play anymore, not because his body was giving out.

I can tell you are going out of your way to make Roy look greta just by your choice of words. You demonize Hopkins and Toney by calling them "hardcore street guys" while whimsically referring to Roy as this "nice old country bumpkin". Hahaha I can't believe you actually called him a country bumpkin.

This wasn't about giving someone props. I acknowledge that Roy was an incredible talent and a great fighter, but that doesn't mean I have to say he's going to go down as a greater fighter than Hop or Toney. What do you want me to lie about it and take your side?

[oldgringo]

roy had little resitance at all from toney, roy pounded on toney until the fight was over. toney maybe won one round in that fight.






you cant be serious, the johnson fight was roy at his absolute worst, he wasnt ripped for that fight and and even looked kind of fat for roys standards.btw he was 34

Oh you were referring to the Johnson fight? Yeah Roy wasn't in the greatest of great shape for that fight I agree with you. That wasn't the problem though. Roys problem isn't conditioning. His problem lies in the fact that his skills are diminished and his REFLEXES are GONE which screws him because he's a very poor technical and defensive fighter.

Again, Roy beat Toney up yes, but it was nowhere near the complete thrashing that Johnson handed Roy. Roy outpointed Toney, Johnson KTFO Jones...to deny this fact is LUDA!!!

[oldgringo]

That was a result of Roy's age and lessening reflexes more than anything.

I understand this. But the fact that he never learned to be technically proficient and couldn't adapt to defend himself with his wits and technique cut down his stock in my opinion.

[oldgringo]

Been awhile since I've been in a good old debate like this.

[BLOODSHED]

It sure did, and when a fan like myself ackowledges how he didnt adapt for life after fast reflexes, Im called a Roy hater.

It also makes me question if Roy had that toughness that Mexican fighters are known for. You know, willing to trade to win a fight (like against Tarver), but I was let down and now I realize that Jones put all his chips through his career on his physical gifts (speed, power, reflexes, etc) and when his reflexes went away, there was nothing to fall back on.

I understand this. But the fact that he never learned to be technically proficient and couldn't adapt to defend himself with his wits and technique cut down his stock in my opinion.

[The Fix]

gringo against similar opponents between jones and toney, who looked better? that should be a huge factor in considering who is leaving behind a greater legacy.

against ruiz jones record 1-0 toney record 1-0 , it will be hard to find any argument against jones.
he outclassed him and won a solid 10 rounds. toney beat ruiz with the aid of some not so legal methods but im not gonna get into that. ruiz was in that fight till the end and if it werent for the bad knockdown call it very well could have gone the other way if ruiz wins that round. it sure would have made the fight a lot closer. advantage jones


against montell griffin, jones record - 1-1(1KO) toney- 0-2(0KO)
jones destroyed griffin in the rematch and was on his way to a stoppage win in the first fight but we all know what happened. toney on the other hand never beat griffin. advantage jones.


mike mcallum both fighters 1-0
jones won by ud and toney by md

toney fought the better version so ill give the advantage to toney.


tony thorton both fighters 1-0

it took james 12 rounds to win on points, it took 3 for jones to stop thorton with ease. adv. jones.


glen thomas...okay im gettin tired.

jones tko 8, toney ud

adv. jones, he stopped him in 8 and toney took the full 12 even though thomas's previos fight was against jones.

[Tarver is my dad]

Roy Jones' legacy will always be greater than James Toney or Bernard Hopkins. All three of these fighters fought in the same era, but only Roy took the contemporary boxing audience by storm like he did in the 90's and early 21st century. Both James Toney and Bernard Hopkins will be remembered as great fighters and both are instant Hall of Famers, but I do not see how they will be able to make their legacy better than Roy due to the fact that they are both at the end of their careers. The only way they will be able to do that is if they do something drastic and big.

[oldgringo]

gringo against similar opponents between jones and toney, who looked better? that should be a huge factor in considering who is leaving behind a greater legacy.

against ruiz jones record 1-0 toney record 1-0 , it will be hard to find any argument against jones.
he outclassed him and won a solid 10 rounds. toney beat ruiz with the aid of some not so legal methods but im not gonna get into that. ruiz was in that fight till the end and if it werent for the bad knockdown call it very well could have gone the other way if ruiz wins that round. it sure would have made the fight a lot closer. advantage jones


against montell griffin, jones record - 1-1(1KO) toney- 0-2(0KO)
jones destroyed griffin in the rematch and was on his way to a stoppage win in the first fight but we all know what happened. toney on the other hand never beat griffin. advantage jones.


mike mcallum both fighters 1-0
jones won by ud and toney by md

toney fought the better version so ill give the advantage to toney.


tony thorton both fighters 1-0

it took james 12 rounds to win on points, it took 3 for jones to stop thorton with ease. adv. jones.


glen thomas...okay im gettin tired.

jones tko 8, toney ud

adv. jones, he stopped him in 8 and toney took the full 12 even though thomas's previos fight was against jones.

It's really not worth getting into who looked better against similar opponents.

I very strongly disagree that Jones performed better against Ruiz as well, and to say that "it could have gone either way had Ruiz not been knocked down and had he won another round" sounds luda. Toney won that Ruiz fight 116-111 EASY...it was probably more like 117-110 however. I had it 9-3 Toney + the KD. Toney also mugged his ass with hard right hands upstairs and down all night. Was there a "right hand cam" for the Jones/Ruiz fight? No...there was for Toney though because he was landing dem mutha****as all night

I need to stop getting faded and then attempting to dabble on the internet. I'm downstairs drinking 40's and then I come up to my room and spout off some bull****. It's sad but theres absolutely nothing going on here because of Finals week

[phallus]

This wasn't about giving someone props. I acknowledge that Roy was an incredible talent and a great fighter, but that doesn't mean I have to say he's going to go down as a greater fighter than Hop or Toney. What do you want me to lie about it and take your side?

the man in my avatar will leave the greatest legacy, Roy won the WBA title, JT will win them ALL - WBC, IBF, and WBA