Who will leave boxing with the best legacy out of Toney, Jones and Hopkins?

[CHICO_4LIFE]

you really think that hopkins resume is better than jones?

okay he beat tito but who else? he never left his division and sat on his titles for a long time. im not saying jones didnt sit on his title, because he did, but through out his career imo jones fough the better competition.

he also beat de la hoya

[Truth]

he also beat de la hoya

That was the most anti climatic fight ever...

[oldgringo]

Great fighters have been KO'd in the past and it's nothing new. You cannot call Hops better than Roy when Roy clearly beat him, has better fighters on his resume, and lastly...you are stone drunk if you think beating Jermain Taylor makes you better than Roy. No way.

Toney on the other hand has a chance, but not just for beating Rahman, puhleez. Rahman blows ****. If he unifies, then we'll talk.

Since this post was directed at me i'll retort.

Great fighters have RARELY been KOed by one punch from a nice fighter at best. Tarver knocked Jones clean out, you'd never see that happen to Hopkins or Toney, especially against a fighter like Tarver.

Hopkins has the most consecutive middlewight defenses ever, that gives him a lot of points in my book. He's beaten two all-time great fighters, and even if they were small, he dominated and KOed them. Hey, nobody knocks Thomas Hearns for picking on a smaller guy when he beat on Roberto Duran so why should Hopkins catch flack for beating DLH and Tito?

If Hopkins beats Taylor, he will have beaten another fighter who has potential to be a great fighter one day and he will have beaten pretty much every single fighter he's ever faced outside of Jones.

You must be stone drunk if you think the Hopkins that fought Jones in 93 was ANYWHERE near his best. Hopkins best years were from 97-03, nearly 4 years after he faced Jones. There's really nothing else to say about that.

Toney has beaten better competition at higher weights and continues to dominate everyone he's fought at heavyweight. Now I know the guys he's facing aren't a bunch of world beaters, but in reality (should he beat Rahman) he would have won 2 different belts at heavyweight (unless you REALLY want to be a nitpick) and would stand a great chance to unify against Brewster or Byrd.

[The Fix]

he also beat de la hoya

umm.................yeah

a....dlh who months earlier was beaten by felix sturm and doesnt belong anywhere near that division

[oldgringo]

you really think that hopkins resume is better than jones?

okay he beat tito but who else? he never left his division and sat on his titles for a long time. im not saying jones didnt sit on his title, because he did, but through out his career imo jones fough the better competition.

Jones faced Hopkins who was not in his prime regardless of what you or slw say, toney who was weight drained and apathetic, and mccallum who was at the very end of a great career. Now I know that those wins are wins and excuses are like *******s, but I don't think any of those wins were TOO spectacular. Just like Hopkins best wins were little guys and above average fighters. Nothing too spectacular.

I don't understand why people always place so much emphasis on moving up in weight. It's cool when fighters do it sure but I feel that a greater accomplishment is cleaning out your division (which Hopkins dominantly did). He holds an incredible record that no middleweight is going to come near for a long time...and if it wasn't for an incompetent judge he still would have held onto his titles.

You know what's the craziest thing about Nard? HE'S 40 ****ING YEARS OLD and still fights these young guys and whoops on them. He's a freak of nature and he's a throwback.

[Truth]

You know what's the craziest thing about Nard? HE'S 40 ****ING YEARS OLD and still fights these young guys and whoops on them. He's a freak of nature and he's a throwback.

Hopkins is unreal...he is a classic fighter no doubt.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Great fighters have RARELY been KOed by one punch from a nice fighter at best. Tarver knocked Jones clean out, you'd never see that happen to Hopkins or Toney, especially against a fighter like Tarver.

Great fighters don't usually lose to green fighters like Jermain Taylor. Roy got KO'd by a punch that would have stopped a moose, and that was after coming down from heavyweight, which everyone (who's not a hater) knows ****ed Roy up physically.

Hopkins has the most consecutive middlewight defenses ever, that gives him a lot of points in my book. He's beaten two all-time great fighters, and even if they were small, he dominated and KOed them. Hey, nobody knocks Thomas Hearns for picking on a smaller guy when he beat on Roberto Duran so why should Hopkins catch flack for beating DLH and Tito?

Roy was undefeated all the way until 2004, for 15 years. Hops was undefeated for a decade. Roy's streak was longer, regardless of how long Hops stayed in one weight class. Duran was better p4p than Tito or DLH were ever gonna be. Hopkins beat Tito and DLH, and that is good, but those small guys don't trump Roy.

If Hopkins beats Taylor, he will have beaten another fighter who has potential to be a great fighter one day and he will have beaten pretty much every single fighter he's ever faced outside of Jones.

You can't rank Hops ahead of Roy based on "potential". The bolded is also key. And all we know about Taylor right now is that he barely beat a 40 yr old dinosaur.

You must be stone drunk if you think the Hopkins that fought Jones in 93 was ANYWHERE near his best. Hopkins best years were from 97-03, nearly 4 years after he faced Jones. There's really nothing else to say about that.

LOL...sorry for callin you drunk, man. I disagree but I shoulda acted like an adult. My bad. But yeah, like I said, it doesn't matter, Hops woulda had to fight Roy the same way he did in 93 to beat him in 2002, and that's maul, and it didn't work. And he was near his best, just not there yet. He just didn't have the Tito's and DLH's in front of him to expose yet. All the guys Hops beat from 98-04 he woulda beat in 93.

Toney has beaten better competition at higher weights and continues to dominate everyone he's fought at heavyweight. Now I know the guys he's facing aren't a bunch of world beaters, but in reality (should he beat Rahman) he would have won 2 different belts at heavyweight (unless you REALLY want to be a nitpick) and would stand a great chance to unify against Brewster or Byrd.

Toney has fought jack **** at heavyweight. NC vs overweight Ruiz, stoppage of an old dinosaur, and wins vs two guys that were never anything at heavyweight. It's not nitpicking when you test positive for steroids and on the record it says no contest. I'll believe Toney can beat a fully motivated and angry Brew when I see it (not the frienly powder puff Brew who goes light on his friends). Byrd he can beat cuz Byrd has looked like **** lately and the same goes for Rahman.

[oldgringo]

Another thing I give those guys points for is lasting late into their careers. Both men are successful because of their talent, toughness and ring smarts. They are both very technically sound and know the ins and outs of the game like the backs of their hands.

Roy never adapted once his reflexes went away. Almost EVERY great champion was able to fall back on their wits and toughness once their skills diminished in order to win. Just look at Ali, Foreman, Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, etc...all of them fell back on technique/smarts/toughness. A glaring example of Roy not being able to adapt to this is with Glen Johnson. You think Toney would have let Johnson rush his ass like that without taxing him and making him pay? Hell no...

[Truth]

How about this Roy is great, JT is great and BHop is great too. They are all great, end of story. Its too early to talk about this anyway. BHop and JT are still fighting.

[BLOODSHED]

I cant see Toney getting hit by Brewster either, unless in a combo. And Brewster doesnt throw fast combinations.

yeah unless he gets caught, rahman will be the strongest fighter that toney will have faced. i cant see toney unifying because sooner or later he is going to run into a klitscko who are just too big. same goes for brewster against toney, lets not forget that toney is a former middle and brewster has one punch KO power. toney has a good chin but i cannot see him taking a huge punch from rahman, a klit or brewster and remain standing.