Is it wrong to have Andre Ward P4P #3?

[ajohnz]

Its not wrong to have have Andre #1 as far as im concerned .. There's no one around his weight class that can beat him.. He surely beats Martinez easily.. He's not exciting to watch for me, but he is special..

but #1 would mean there would be nobody around any weight class that could beat him everyone was the same weight. i still dont think he'd beat floyd p4p. i definitely have ward high on my list though

[mrgreenfingers]

how anyone doesn't have marquez at 3 shocks me he should be 2nd really

[ajohnz]

how anyone doesn't have marquez at 3 shocks me

i can agree with this

[ajohnz]

see i dont think resume/achievements should go into a p4p list as heavily as they to an ATG list. i consider my p4p list based on who i think has the most skill much more so than the accomplishments on their resume. i understand it can be hard to truly see someone's skill level if they have fought trash their whole career but i certainly think cotto has fought good enough opposition to be excluded from that category

[Biolink]

Not wrong to have him as #1 IMO. He was great last year, and I don't see anyone in or around him beating him.

[#1Assassin]

i dont think so. his resume isnt as good as some of the other top fighters, but in terms of pure ability he could be the best fighter in the sport. the question is how much do you base your p4p list on what you see in him and how much do you base it on accomplishments on paper.

either way its not like ward lacks accomplishments or resume. i think he should be no lower than 6 at worst so to have him at 3 isnt a stretch imo. its just a matter of time before hes #1 anyways, sillakh and dawson could give him a run for his money but i think ward will be dominant force in boxing in the next couple of years.

[New England]

mayweather
marquez (by virtue of his W over pacquiao. i dont care what anybody says. that fight was a robbery and marquez clearly won. clear as day.)
and then ward



that's my top 3. manny is not what he once was. he doesnt talk, train, or act like the best fighter on the planet. and he certainly doesn't fight that way

[bojangles1987]

As long as both Mayweather and Marquez are in your top 3, you can put whoever you want in the other spot.

[Sangre Azteca]

1 Marquez
2 Pacquiao
3 Martinez
4 Mayweather (won't fight PAC or Martinez)
5 Donaire
6 WK
7 Ward (won't fight Bute)
8 VK
9 Rios
10 Gamboa

[New England]

1 Marquez
2 Pacquiao
3 Martinez
4 Mayweather (won't fight PAC or Martinez)
5 Donaire
6 WK
7 Ward (won't fight Bute)
8 VK
9 Rios
10 Gamboa

you get lucian bute's team was frothing at the mouth to take on ward right after the tournament not because of lucian's superiority, but because of the advantages he'd have fighting a guy who has had such a hard 2-3 year run?

you can dig that i hope.

ward is NOT ducking bute
people get accused of "ducking" all the time in situations that do not involve a "duck." ducking somebody is refusing to fight them for no real reason when that fight makes the most sense

if ward's promotors got him the bute fight right after the tournament they'd be making a horrid mistake


should bute get a shot at the winner of the tournament even though he was left out and fighting guys on a lower tier?

hell, that sounds a hell of a lot better than facing top 10 guys one after the other and earning a shot at the winner. sign me up.