Gamboa is now #10 P4P by the RING.....

[SplitSecond]

Pac lost like 8 rounds, IMO and i'm just being generous. How you had him winning is beyond me, narrowly, widely, whatever. Like I said, any list with Pac as #1 is a **** list. The real P4P #1 fighter right now should be Juan Manuel Marquez, not Pacquiao or Floyd. JMM was in the top 5, he beat Pac who was #1, that moves him to #1.

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[crold1]

Crold, I call any list with Pac as #1 a crappy list, including yours, but that doesn't mean I think you're a bad writer. You're one of the best writers on Boxingscene I enjoy reading your articles. But i'm sorry, Pac's last 3 wins have been mediocre, and one of them wasn't even a win. And he still stays at #1? Something's terribly wrong with boxing.

You're right. The something wrong is spending so much time on P4P arguments. What's more important? Figuring out who would win if the Klits were the same size as Pac or have greater accomplishments etc? Or wondering if the market can be moved to make a fight like Uchiyama-Broner or who will win Khan-Peterson II AT JR. WELTERWEIGHT.

I know which one I pick.

I think Pac's overall run can sustain a few off beats. He's going to Bradley next. Great move. The only P4P raring that matters is where he settles when he's all done.

I don't want to see May-Pac for P4P bullspit as first cause. I want to find out who the best Welter of the last five years was. The rest shakes out on its own.

Thanks for the rest though. I'm cool with a crap list or an OMG GOAT call. Whichever. P4P is there to foster debate.

And we're debating.

[sicko]

In non-title fights, sure. Otherwise, this statement is uneducated at best. Flat ****** at worst. If you didn't think he was "P4P" so be it. Think it for the right reasons. He beat four current/former/future titleholders since 09. The biggest win was on the road. That's on par with the sort of thing most of the game's tops were doing on less active schedules. Debate the quality of those four, but bums?

Here. Learn a little. http://www.boxingscene.com/measured-...jongkam--50390

your right, I am wrong! I will be honest, his division is not a division I follow as much as I probably should so yeah it is ignorant on my part to speak on a fighter I really haven't followed his career much

fans get caught up in the BIG NAMES and forget about the Smaller Guys, I remember in the 90's when I was the only one talking about Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and none of my friends knew who he was and I would defend him all the time

[crold1]

your right, I am wrong! I will be honest, his division is not a division I follow as much as I probably should so yeah it is ignorant I my part to speak on a fighter I really haven't followed his career

No prob and ****** wasn't the most polite word to use so apologies. I've just seen a ton of this stuff the last week or so. I could see outrage if people were claiming Wonjongkam as some top 20 All Timer but because some folks had him at the bottom of their silly P4P list, it's like "let's dump on him for the upset?" Doesn't make sense.

Dude was a very good fighter, elite speed in his prime (watch some of his fights on YouTube like Tunacao, Lazarte, and Naito...dude was lightning quick) and could have done more. Lots of guys fit the bill. Not many keep it together for 11 years.

[-Kev-]

Pac was #1 all the way up to when he beat Clottey, after that, it's been Cherrypick Haven.

Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez*. Three cherrypicked fights, two of them at catchweights, another fight against a 40 year old. Mosley hadn't look good in his last 2 fights, and Roach admitted to not wanting Mosley in 2009 because he was too good. The Marquez cherrypick backfired. You saw it as a close fight, narrow points victory for Pacquiao, well that's the F'ing problem...the hell are you knowingly cherrypicking dudes for and looking like **** against them? At a catchweight where he was already soundly beaten by Floyd 2 years prior?

Oh, let's just forget, Marquez was a cherrypicked fight, because the fight ended up being close. And Mosley? Lol. Washed up Margarito who was not even ranked in the top 10 @ WW or JMW. His last three fights, and him still being P4P #1 pisses me off, i've had it up to here *points to forehead* with this guy and his match making and people talking about what he's done overall to keep him as #1. He's just NOT the best, he's NOT #1. And I wish more writers were true to themselves and the public and just say look...Pacquiao's last 3 opponents have been handpicked, he does not belong in the #1 spot, until he beats some one of note, fair and square, like Timothy Bradley. But no, let's keep him in there, despite him fighting washed up old cherrypicked fighters, who are barely considered top guys any more.

I want to know who's the best right now, not who was the best 3 years ago.

[crold1]

Pac was #1 all the way up to when he beat Clottey, after that, it's been Cherrypick Haven.

Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez*. Three cherrypicked fights, two of them at catchweights, another fight against a 40 year old. Mosley hadn't look good in his last 2 fights, and Roach admitted to not wanting Mosley in 2009 because he was too good. The Marquez cherrypick backfired. You saw it as a close fight, narrow points victory for Pacquiao, well that's the F'ing problem...the hell are you knowingly cherrypicking dudes for and looking like **** against them? At a catchweight where he was already soundly beaten by Floyd 2 years prior?

Oh, let's just forget, Marquez was a cherrypicked fight, because the fight ended up being close. And Mosley? Lol. Washed up Margarito who was not even ranked in the top 10 @ WW or JMW. His last three fights, and him still being P4P #1 pisses me off, i've had it up to here *points to forehead* with this guy and his match making and people talking about what he's done overall to keep him as #1. He's just NOT the best, he's NOT #1. And I wish more writers were true to themselves and the public and just say look...Pacquiao's last 3 opponents have been handpicked, he does not belong in the #1 spot, until he beats some one of note, fair and square, like Timothy Bradley. But no, let's keep him in there, despite him fighting washed up old cherrypicked fighters, who are barely considered top guys any more.

I want to know who's the best right now, not who was the best 3 years ago.

I thought he got by Marquez, if only by a little and I think he or Floyd is still pretty clearly the best right now. That's my honest take. I tried to come up with arguments for others. I think the case is still stronger for those two.