Who ranks higher Joe Calzaghe or Wladamir on the atg list?

[joe strong]

he was winning on the score cards and a freak injury thats never happened to him before or since, and that doesnt deserve a remathc??/

Even lennox himself said "i will give him a rematch if the money is right2, 40 million offered and lennox gave some bs about his momma not wanting to fight etc...

face it. Vitali>lennox.

Going by your logic chris byrd is better than vitali

your digging yourself deeper mate..

BTW oliver mccall and rahman are better than lennox lewis....agree???why did lewis deserve rematches with them but vitali didnt deserve a remnathc with lennox even though a one eyed vitali brooked lennox??/


your logic is woeful and you hate white boxers...fact...

i am white & my favorite boxers are frans botha, tye fields, andrew golota, james toney & lennox. by the way lennox was champion & it's called a rematch clause...maybe your info is woeful. i never said anything about byrd did I? where do you get that i don't like white boxers? because i think calzaghe is overrated? by the way slim or whatever you call yourself, my favorite non-heavyweight boxer is carl froch...

[D4thincarnation]

Jones tested positive for a substance that was banned but happened to be in an over the counter product called Ripped Fuel at the time. He used it to help lose weight in training. It wasn't a PED or steroid.

He never tested positive before or after so how does this make Roy a cheat in any way?

Also, is it a coincidence that Roy and Hall both tested positive the one and only time when those tests were done?

Think about it.

No, Jones tested positive for a steroid, a steroid that is an ingredient in Ripped Fuel, and is a PED.

[Mr. Invincible]

Yeah, he was caught, excuses don't cut it, it is what it is.



Shane Mosley never tested positive at all.

Roy tested positive for a weight loss ingredient that was banned but was in an over the counter product at the time. That's all that needs be mentioned. Period. End of story. His dominance had nothing to do with steroids you morons.

[D4thincarnation]

Roy tested positive for a weight loss ingredient that was banned but was in an over the counter product at the time. That's all that needs be mentioned. Period. End of story. His dominance had nothing to do with steroids you morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra

This is the banned substance in Ripped Fuel that Jones tested positive for and admitted taking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/advice/f..._az/ephedrine#


Ephedrine is a stimulant that speeds up the heart and nervous system.

It comes from a shrubby plant known as Ephedra sinensis. The shrub is well known to Chinese herbalists who call it 'Ma Huang'.

Pills and potions containing Ephedra or Ma Huang are sold as herbal E, as dietary aids and as remedies to increase energy and enhance fitness training.

Synthetic ephedrine is used in several cold medicines that you can buy at any chemist.

Crystal meth can be made from ephedrine

You still think it was not performance enhancing, not to mention all the caffeine in Ripped Fuel.

[D4thincarnation]

http://www.steroid.com/Buy-Ephedrine.php

Steroid website selling som Ephedrine, you know the stuff that Jones was using.

Ephedrine is a sympathomimetic amine with high stimulating effects and as such is a powerful fat-burner, which is the reason most buy Ephedrine. Some people buy Ephedrine as a decongestant as this substance is apt to serve that purpose but by in-large most buy Ephedrine for its ability to suppress appetite and fat burning effects. When ingested the medication will increase the temperature of the body thereby increasing the metabolic activity within the body; but there is also a stimulating effect regarding energy that is at play as well. Many people buy Ephedrine simply for this stimulating effect as it allows them to train or perform at a higher level than without; which depending on your goal can aid in fat-loss as well.

[Mr. Invincible]

Wow every Wlad fan here is forgetting a big thing.

WLADIMIR DUCKED LENNOX AND TYSON FROM 2000-2003

UP until he got knocked the **** out by Sanders that crashed his rising superstardom.


But before the Ko FROM Sanders Wladimir was the rising young star, the heir apparant that could have called out lennox at any time but didn't.

Wladimir had more than enough star power up until Sanders to call out Tyson. Mike at that time would have fought anybody for money that was a HUGE fight Wlad could have risked but he didn't.

Wladimir ducked Lennox and Tyson early on as much as Joe did roy jones jr.

THERE IS ONE DIFFERENCE

Joe was nowhere near the rising hype Wlad was so Joe actually COULDN'T HAVE called out Roy Jones or Hopkins in late 1999's early 2000's because he was a nobody.

Lol @ Wlad avoiding Lennox and Tyson. Try the other way around. If Lennox had interest in cleaning out the division on the way out he had to face Wlad.

The more you post on here the more ignorant you sound.

Maybe you should stick to basketball.

[The_Demon]

Calzaghe

Beat better fighters,more accomplished even with fucked hands for a large part of his career,never got KO'd by average fighters etc etc etc

[polarcub]

@Fantastic

The mere fact that you mention people who dont like Vitali 'hates white boxers' clearly state your racist mind set. In fact you probably hate Lennox because he's black. Since you threw in the race card, you got to be thinking that yourself.

It makes sense. Since every ****ing person with a boxing IQ over 1 knows
the lennox that fought vitali WAS NOT A PRIME LENNOX LEWIS. and he still tko vitali.

In fact if you think IT WAS A PRIME lennox that fought Vitali that night you are dumb as a wild hog in Cristiano Ronaldo's backyard.

but we digress because you keep derailing the god damn thread you thread derailing person.


Thread is calzage vs Wlad

calzage wins hands down

[polarcub]

And nobody ****ing believes lennox and tyson ducked wlad.

ROFL is that some kind of sick joke??

rofl.


2003 Sanders destroyed wlad

imagine 2000 Lennox vs 2000 Wlad

wlad would have died in the ring

wlad was the one ducking and for good reason but that don't excuse the fact he is a coward

[D4thincarnation]

Lol @ Wlad avoiding Lennox and Tyson. Try the other way around. If Lennox had interest in cleaning out the division on the way out he had to face Wlad.

The more you post on here the more ignorant you sound.

Maybe you should stick to basketball.

Yeah Lewis and Tyson ducked Wlad

Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis all fighting each other while Wlad was fighting who?

Seriously who?