If Prince Naseem Hamed was American.....

[Brother Jay]

He would be known as an ATG.

Now i love Mike Tyson, he's one of my favourite Boxers of all time but i laugh when i see so many people have him so high up in their ATG list. Look at Tyson's record and look at Prince Naseem's record...this may surprise many of you but there's a few similiarities there. The big difference being that Hamed didn't come back from his defeat(once but that was a meh fight) fair enough, however Tyson did come back from defeats but only went on to lose again whenever he faced a true world class opponent.(talking about a live Tyson here, not even taking the McBride and Williams defeats into account)

Now let this be known, i am a huge fan of both boxers. As my username may hint, im a sucker for pure entertainment...which both of these two greats had in bundles....anyway even being a fan of both Tyson and Hamed i can however admit that their records are nothing spectacular. Sure Tyson faced more world class operators than Hamed did, however the fact remains that he lost those fights. It just baffles me why so many people rank Tyson so highly yet dismiss Hamed so easily.

Thoughts?

The only name that Hamed ever beat worth mentioning is Kevin Kelley, who came out of retirement to face Hamed.

Hamed went through a list of Euro-bums to make a name for himself. When he came to the mecca of boxing in America, he found out that not every boxer is susceptible to being faked out by showy feints and leaping uppercuts.

Barrera jailhouse ****d him in their match and retired him.

Nice try, but the effort FAILED.

[Roy Jones Jnr]

The only name that Hamed ever beat worth mentioning is Kevin Kelley, who came out of retirement to face Hamed.

Hamed went through a list of Euro-bums to make a name for himself. When he came to the mecca of boxing in America, he found out that not every boxer is susceptible to being faked out by showy feints and leaping uppercuts.

Barrera jailhouse ****d him in their match and retired him.

Nice try, but the effort FAILED.

Now a post like this one tells you everything you need to know about you as a poster.

Where people like yourself trip up is when you start comparing the rest of Hamed's opponents to MAB. That is wrong. Barrera is a All Time Great. It is unfair for you to compare the rest of the fighters on Hamed's record to Barrera. Whilst they cant be compared to a ATG like Barrera, they certainly cannot be written off as some 'Euro Bums'. People like Johnson, Medina, Kelley, Soto, McCullogh, Vasquez and Ingle were certainly not ''Euro-Bums''. Whilst none of them were ATG like Barrera, they were much more than just Euro Bums.

Yes, if you had read the thread properly i have already said there is a lack of ATG fighters on Hamed's record, and the one that is on Hamed's record is a loss. However, he built up a pretty solid Featherweight resume when you look at the names he has on his record. A person who says Hamed's record is filled up of Euro Bums quite simply does not have a clue what he is talking about.

[Weebler I]

He would be known as an ATG.

Now i love Mike Tyson, he's one of my favourite Boxers of all time but i laugh when i see so many people have him so high up in their ATG list. Look at Tyson's record and look at Prince Naseem's record...this may surprise many of you but there's a few similiarities there. The big difference being that Hamed didn't come back from his defeat(once but that was a meh fight) fair enough, however Tyson did come back from defeats but only went on to lose again whenever he faced a true world class opponent.(talking about a live Tyson here, not even taking the McBride and Williams defeats into account)

Now let this be known, i am a huge fan of both boxers. As my username may hint, im a sucker for pure entertainment...which both of these two greats had in bundles....anyway even being a fan of both Tyson and Hamed i can however admit that their records are nothing spectacular. Sure Tyson faced more world class operators than Hamed did, however the fact remains that he lost those fights. It just baffles me why so many people rank Tyson so highly yet dismiss Hamed so easily.

Thoughts?

You should start an 'If Mike Tyson was British' thread...

My guess is that he would not be nearly as highly rated by US posters on here, just another overrated Brit exposed by the superior American Buster Douglas

The only name that Hamed ever beat worth mentioning is Kevin Kelley, who came out of retirement to face Hamed.

Hamed went through a list of Euro-bums to make a name for himself. When he came to the mecca of boxing in America, he found out that not every boxer is susceptible to being faked out by showy feints and leaping uppercuts.

Barrera jailhouse ****d him in their match and retired him.

Nice try, but the effort FAILED.

lol 'when he came to the mecca of boxing in America' and fought a Mexican...

[4Corners]

You should start an 'If Mike Tyson was British' thread...

My guess is that he would not be nearly as highly rated by US posters on here, just another overrated Brit exposed by the superior American Buster Douglas

Mike Tyson was legit in his prime, but I always laughed at the people who think prime for prime that Tyson would beat Ali, and they make excuses for Tyson losing to Buster, it's sad. Ali would stop Tyson in 8-10 rounds, winning every round. We're talking a prime Ali (64-67). A post layoff Ali (70-75), Tyson would have a good shot to win I think.

[Roy Jones Jnr]

Mike Tyson was legit in his prime, but I always laughed at the people who think prime for prime that Tyson would beat Ali, and they make excuses for Tyson losing to Buster, it's sad. Ali would stop Tyson in 8-10 rounds, winning every round. We're talking a prime Ali (64-67). A post layoff Ali (70-75), Tyson would have a good shot to win I think.

Agree with this post. By no means am i calling Tyson a fraud...i just find it funny seeing people rank him so high. A great example being the one you have used, Ali vs Tyson. Seeing so many people actually believe Tyson would beat Ali tells you everything you need to know about how much people overrate Tyson.

[polarcub]

ROFL Tyson fans are DELUSIONAL AS ****.

JESUS CHRIST./


ROFL. The Ali that fought Cleveland Williams vs any version of Tyson will be a complete white wash shut out 15 rounds to 0. If Tyson even last that long. I highly doubt it though. Tyson will probably get frustrated by Ali's dancing and shuffling and throw a chair or some **** and get Dq.

[polarcub]

also I disagree with the 'if american' part.

Because it highly depends on the boxer's style and personality first and formost. THEN after that it's his nationality.

What it means is. My favorite boxer is lennox lewis but even I admit at times he is boring and fight cautious first for half his fights. In his interviews he refers to himself as 'lennox lewis' and talk in an arrogant manner mostly about himself and his pugilist skills. The thing is his arrogance is only funny and witty to his fans but not to anyone else lol.

IF LENNOX LEWIS was american he still will be third most popular for his era behind tyson and holyfield... so it makes no difference.


SAME with the KBROS their boring as ****, so the nationality really don't matter.

BUT for some fighters not being american really DID MATTER.
Nigel Benn was a big one. If Nigel Benn was American the hype and popularity on this guy would have been insane.

Another big one is Felix Trinidad, as popular as he was if he was American or MEXICAN, he will be 5x as popular and a main stream phenom.

[DeadLikeMe]

If it was an American guy acting like that while KOing eurobum after eurobum...you guys would've hated his ass more than any other fighter in history

[Bullrush]

Naz IS an ATG. maybe not up there with ali and marciano, but he should DEFINITELY be in the top 10. he was amazing and if he cared enough he could have been much better and maybe even a top 3 ATG but he was lazy and not as passionate about boxing

[4Corners]

Naz IS an ATG. maybe not up there with ali and marciano, but he should DEFINITELY be in the top 10. he was amazing and if he cared enough he could have been much better and maybe even a top 3 ATG but he was lazy and not as passionate about boxing

Hamed is NOT an ATG, but he is really underrated. All-Time I'd still say Ricky Hatton did more than Naseem Hamed. In my opinion, I think at some point, Ricky Hatton should get into the HOF. He's defining win was against Tszyu, who IS in the HOF, and he beat Tszyu when he was the #1 JWW in the world.