Marquez became insane due to high altitude training?

[m00ks]

That's just plain funny. A fighter that doesn't become wiser with each fight, does not wear a belt. We know that Marquez can adjust, he showed that after Round #1. Manny couldn't take-out the man he just nailed flush three times for KD's, because Marquez immediately started to box and give Manny something to think about.

Manny has also learned alot and become wiser from his fights. Trouble is, he's still completely dependent on his single-shot power and stamina. His limited boxing skills have not troubled him too much because he gets guy's respect with the power shots that just keep coming and coming. He has never had to change the style because it worked pretty damed good. But, he also cannot change his style because he's not that skilled.

Very early in Pac-JMM II, we'll see what a Champ does. Importantly, JMM will show Pac more respect, unlike Fight #1, but will also demonstrate what the more-skilled fighter does as he becomes "wiser".

Would you call MAB a good boxer?

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

Ultimate, you usually know your boxing but right now, you have no idea what your saying anymore.

That shot wasn't lucky. Watch it carefully. CAREFULLY. JMM landed a straight shot. Pac got pissed. He faked then threw a 1-2 when Marquez opened up. That ain't lucky when you outfake a guy. Oh yah, you can get 1 lucky shot, maybe 2. But 3?!?!?! In one round!?!?! Please...

Pac don't got power?!?!?
Youre talking about a guy who's last win in points was back in 1997. Every win he had since then to this date was a knockout. His last fight was against a Thai who has never been knocked out in 50+ fights. Manny put him to sleep in 4 rounds. Tell me again Manny Pacquiao has no power...

Dude I'm not saying Pac dont got power or that the shot was lucky it was a good planned shot that landed perfectly. And pac has power and its apparent. I was merely making the wrong philosophy on power like you were.

Im simply stating that Marquez has power and displayed it against pac. You dont cut and crater your opponents face like marquez and pac did to each other without power while at the same time wobbleing each other.

[MetalVomit]

I do agree that he should get more than Pac but 1.5 million? No, he's just not that big of a draw for himself to be paid that kind of money.

if you agree, why are we arguing? i simply asked who Pac beat other than Barrera? I asked a question, i wasnt trying to be an all knowing witty boxing analyst. I like both fighters, i was just asking who has Pac beat because i remember reading somewhere that he fought a guy whose record was 3-6-1 before ko'ing Lucero (who is garbage by the way. Pac did put a ****in beating on him though).

[m00ks]

if you agree, why are we arguing? i simply asked who Pac beat other than Barrera? I asked a question, i wasnt trying to be an all knowing witty boxing analyst. I like both fighters, i was just asking who has Pac beat because i remember reading somewhere that he fought a guy whose record was 3-6-1 before ko'ing Lucero (who is garbage by the way. Pac did put a ****in beating on him though).

He fought Yeshmangetov as a tune up for his first fight at feather. To test the waters. I was merely arguing the fact that Marquez isn't anymore accomplished than Pac. I agree that he should get paid more cuz he IS putting his titles on the line. But still dude, 1.5 million?

[chito]

The CHAMPIONS deserve more money. Not people who can KO people more often. You said earlier that Marco A. Barrera and Erik Morales didnt deserve 2 mil? are you sick? They are 2 of the top 10 fighters on the planet, they deserve millions of dollars for dedicating themselves to the sport and becoming as good as they are. Let the paper champs ask for more money, they arent going to get it and they know it. Bottom line....JMM is more accomplished than Pac, and he deserves more than Pac because he has the belts, and he's had them for a while. He's an accomplished fighter. Other than MAB, who has Pac beat?

let me send back the question to you, who has JMM beat?

about the prize money, they should divide the purse equally, if pac gets 900 thousand, jmm should get the same! that seems fair for both fighters.

jmm has a lot of pride inside him and i think he won't agree with getting the same purse as pacquiao. jmm thinks he's the bigger name. what do you think? don't ask me.. you know my answer. (they are of the same status as to popularity, pacquiao and him).

[MetalVomit]

He fought Yeshmangetov as a tune up for his first fight at feather. To test the waters. I was merely arguing the fact that Marquez isn't anymore accomplished than Pac. I agree that he should get paid more cuz he IS putting his titles on the line. But still dude, 1.5 million?

all i say is that he should get more than Pac because he is the champ. can't wait for this fight either. I hope pac wins so we can see about Barrera's "bad night"

[Moon]

Pacquiao wins by a landslide against MAB, people call teh latter faded and shot. 2 fights later, the same Barrera gets a win against Morales. But still people would deny him of that due.

MAB is an excellent p4p fighter. Fighters like him do not lose hard by that margin. Not Junior Jones not even Erik Morales was able to give the same point deficit the way Manny did. So if a fighter out of no where wins so damn convincingly, his win deserves to be acknowledged and shouldn't be brushed off as nothing more than a "bad night" for MAB.

The reason MAB and JMM had trouble was not that they took Manny lightly. It's that they were just unpreprared for his speed and power. They had no idea, Manny could have been THAT fast and THAT strong which is understandable.

We agree on most things, really we do. You're right, fighters like MAB do not simply lose hard by that margin. Thus, there was something very ****ing wrong with Barrera. He was not prepared for the speed and power was exactly right too, but, once MAB figured out he was in there with a big/fast puncher, he couldn't suddenly reverse his lack of conditioning! Of course he's gonna "tell" Merchant he's OK to go, what else can you do? MAB would never utter anyhting positive words leading-up to a fight. If you believe the MAB in round one and two against Pac looked like the same MAB as always, then thats your opinion and should lead you to give bigger props to Pac than other people are willing to give.

We'll just have to disagree on the Pac-MAB story. But when it comes to Pac-Marquez II, I don't see an "unprepared" Marquez, that's all. Marquez by late TKO or, morelikely, UD.

[Moon]

Would you call MAB a good boxer?

Yes, I would call MAB a good boxer/fighter.

[Fuk_Neilz]

MAB is the best in his division

[nadz]

We agree on most things, really we do. You're right, fighters like MAB do not simply lose hard by that margin. Thus, there was something very ****ing wrong with Barrera. He was not prepared for the speed and power was exactly right too, but, once MAB figured out he was in there with a big/fast puncher, he couldn't suddenly reverse his lack of conditioning! Of course he's gonna "tell" Merchant he's OK to go, what else can you do? MAB would never utter anyhting positive words leading-up to a fight. If you believe the MAB in round one and two against Pac looked like the same MAB as always, then thats your opinion and should lead you to give bigger props to Pac than other people are willing to give.

We'll just have to disagree on the Pac-MAB story. But when it comes to Pac-Marquez II, I don't see an "unprepared" Marquez, that's all. Marquez by late TKO or, morelikely, UD.

lets see what happen in the scheduled fight this coming feb.