Marquez became insane due to high altitude training?

[Moon]

Did you just call MAB faded?

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

[JaNnO]

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

Those MAB excuses again...and suddenly he wasn't faded when he won against Erik in Dec. I think PAc has MAB's number and there's a slim chance that he will beat his conquistador even if they fight a thousand times.

Those 11-1 rounds for Marquez again. It just never stops. Pac won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, 10 & 12 of that fight. Huh, if JMM is gonna overestimate himself saying he is the wiser man now...then he goes thru the same ordeal again.

[Moon]

power? who saw power? I didnt see no power...

MOOKS you might not have seen the power, but we can be sure that Pac felt it. After the first round Pac was still finding his way to Marquez, but with continuing less effectiveness. He never "moved" Marquez after the 1st. To say that Marquez lacks power is an interesting way to kick-up some dust in this Thread, but it ignores the many times after the 1st round that PacMan was caught and had to reset because he was simply surpised by Marquez's stamina and power. Manny was definitely still in the fight late, but he didn't really have Marquez threatened after the 1st.

[m00ks]

no i ment at 2:05 to go in the round where Marquez connected with a right and Pacquiao wobbled to his left. His right hand stayed where it was.. there was no raising of the arms.

If Marquez had power, a clean shot like that would have put put Pac on the canvas. Lots of boxers get stunned, lots of boxers wobble. That don't mean power, that only means a clean shot connected. True power would send poeple on their ass. Sadly, JMM tried for twelve rounds and couldn't do it even once, even though he outboxed Manny most of the fight. Took Pacquiao 90 seconds. THAT'S power. Pac admitted even Barrera hits harder than JMM.

[VPDJ]

JMM asked $1.5 mil coz he is preparing himself. Preparing himself if worse comes.

[Moon]

Huh, if JMM is gonna overestimate himself saying he is the wiser man now...then he goes thru the same ordeal again.

That's just plain funny. A fighter that doesn't become wiser with each fight, does not wear a belt. We know that Marquez can adjust, he showed that after Round #1. Manny couldn't take-out the man he just nailed flush three times for KD's, because Marquez immediately started to box and give Manny something to think about.

Manny has also learned alot and become wiser from his fights. Trouble is, he's still completely dependent on his single-shot power and stamina. His limited boxing skills have not troubled him too much because he gets guy's respect with the power shots that just keep coming and coming. He has never had to change the style because it worked pretty damed good. But, he also cannot change his style because he's not that skilled.

Very early in Pac-JMM II, we'll see what a Champ does. Importantly, JMM will show Pac more respect, unlike Fight #1, but will also demonstrate what the more-skilled fighter does as he becomes "wiser".

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If Marquez had power, a clean shot like that would have put put Pac on the canvas. Lots of boxers get stunned, lots of boxers wobble. That don't mean power, that only means a clean shot connected. True power would send poeple on their ass. Sadly, JMM tried for twelve rounds and couldn't do it even once, even though he outboxed Manny most of the fight. Took Pacquiao 90 seconds. THAT'S power. Pac admitted even Barrera hits harder than JMM.

In that case how do you know it wasnt a lucky shot?

Lots of fighters fall down from shots they didnt see.. that doesnt mean they got power. Your logic is wrong. power creates damage and rattles brains, pacquiao got both damage and got rattled as did Marquez

[m00ks]

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

This is what don't make sense for me Munn. Pacquiao wins by a landslide against MAB, people call teh latter faded and shot. 2 fights later, the same Barrera gets a win against Morales. One would think this would have only added credibility to Manny's win. But still people would deny him of that due.

MAB is an excellent p4p fighter. Fighters like him do not lose hard by that margin. Not Junior Jones not even Erik Morales was able to give the same point deficit the way Manny did. So if a fighter out of no where wins so damn convincingly, his win deserves to be acknowledged and shouldn't be brushed off as nothing more than a "bad night" for MAB.

The reason MAB and JMM had trouble was not that they took Manny lightly. It's that they were just unpreprared for his speed and power. They had no idea, Manny could have been THAT fast and THAT strong which is understandable. Marquez trained at high altitude. He prepared well, he was just surprised. MAB was also ready. He even said it before the fight in an interview with Merchant. He said that he didn't care about the head issue. He said that he was gonna come in and show everyone that Marco Barrera was ready and here to fight. Then all of the sudden he gets ass-****d and blames it on a bad night. Heck evey boxer in world could have said they had a bad night after every loss. **** it RJJ had a bad night against Tarver and Johnson. Oscar had a bad night against Bernard. Mayorga had a bad night against Tito. Give me a break!

[m00ks]

In that case how do you know it wasnt a lucky shot?

Lots of fighters fall down from shots they didnt see.. that doesnt mean they got power. Your logic is wrong.

Ultimate, you usually know your boxing but right now, you have no idea what your saying anymore.

That shot wasn't lucky. Watch it carefully. CAREFULLY. JMM landed a straight shot. Pac got pissed. He faked then threw a 1-2 when Marquez opened up. That ain't lucky when you outfake a guy. Oh yah, you can get 1 lucky shot, maybe 2. But 3?!?!?! In one round!?!?! Please...

Pac don't got power?!?!?
Youre talking about a guy who's last win in points was back in 1997. Every win he had since then to this date was a knockout. His last fight was against a Thai who has never been knocked out in 50+ fights. Manny put him to sleep in 4 rounds. Tell me again Manny Pacquiao has no power...

[m00ks]

MOOKS you might not have seen the power, but we can be sure that Pac felt it. After the first round Pac was still finding his way to Marquez, but with continuing less effectiveness. He never "moved" Marquez after the 1st. To say that Marquez lacks power is an interesting way to kick-up some dust in this Thread, but it ignores the many times after the 1st round that PacMan was caught and had to reset because he was simply surpised by Marquez's stamina and power. Manny was definitely still in the fight late, but he didn't really have Marquez threatened after the 1st.

Sorry I should have been more specific. I wanted to say power to really hurt Pacquao. He has power. Or else he wouldn't have that many KOs. I saw Pac was stunned but never really hurt. I agree with you that he didn't have JMM threatend as in the first, although to say that JMM was never "moved" after is an overstatement. Pac still kept that nose of Marquez bleeding and still connected with his injured left. In anycase, I'm expecting Marquez to be a lot faster and powerful come Feb 26 considering all the training that he's been undertaking.