Manny Stewart's comments during JMM vs Pac

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

OK, first off this isn't a "JMM v Pac" thing all over again I just wanted to talk about the HBO commentary during that fight which I thought was one of the worst in any recent fight I can remember.

Between Lampley screaming everytime Pac whiffed on a shot and acting like he just crushed JMM or the first 4 rounds of Manny Stewart talking about how fast and great Pac is only to reverse it after the 6th round was just so frustrating.

Anyway this is my point. In the last two rounds of that fight, everyone saw it as a close fight (except Letterman but what's new) and Manny Stewart said that JMM should go on the attack to win the fight, here's my HUGE problem with that.

If you line up Pac and JMM side by side and list their PHYSICAL attributes only, there's not one category where JMM wins......ZERO. Pac is faster, quicker, bigger, stronger, takes a better punch, hits harder than JMM. He is also an excellent counter puncher as well, something a lot of fans don't give Pac credit for.

So if JMM comes forward, isn't that the completely WRONG tactical thing to do because that will put you in danger of getting knocked down or possibly knocked out? See when Manny comes forward, he has the speed to avoid a lot of JMM counter shots but it wouldn't be the same in reverse.

So how the *** could Manny Stewart, a veteran of the sport and HOF trainer be asking for JMM to come forward and attack when that is the exact thing he should NEVER be doing vs a fighter like Pac?

Am I wrong here?

[PACsmash]

ummm theres other ways of attacking than just coming straight foward.... HELLO??

[savorduhflavor]

No you're right. I don't think Steward was thinking about it tactically...he was speaking from the point of view of, it's a close fight, Pac's the A side, you've been robbed before, you gotta make SURE you take these rounds.

Either way, JMM couldn't do that. He fights Pacquiao so tough because he DOESN'T do that. Steward was just thinking he's gotta emphatically win the championship rounds if he wants to get the decision. Also the HBO guys, not just Lederman, were feeling that Pacquiao was winning. Why I don't know, I had Marquez clearly ahead, but they were operating under the assumption that Marquez was behind.

[Bushbaby]

1st off bro, the only commentator that was remotely accurate was kellerman that night. They called Marquez running. Fact is his back barely touched the ropes. Fact is the Pacman offense was hushed. Most of the clean effective punches were landed by Marquez. I've watched the fight about 10 times at least & Marquez owned the 11th.

Manny's footwork was garbage. All he used ot for was to jump in, throw meaningless punches & dart away. He coudn't trap Marquez, he never hurt him & Roach was begging for a ko. Compubox was way way of. Most people don't know that its just some guy tapping away at punches that he believes landed. If Merchant or that other idiot were doing compu box, you'd swear the fight was a 1 sided beating in favor of Pacman.

[freedom213]

No you're right. I don't think Steward was thinking about it tactically...he was speaking from the point of view of, it's a close fight, Pac's the A side, you've been robbed before, you gotta make SURE you take these rounds.

Either way, JMM couldn't do that. He fights Pacquiao so tough because he DOESN'T do that. Steward was just thinking he's gotta emphatically win the championship rounds if he wants to get the decision. Also the HBO guys, not just Lederman, were feeling that Pacquiao was winning. Why I don't know, I had Marquez clearly ahead, but they were operating under the assumption that Marquez was behind.

1st off bro, the only commentator that was remotely accurate was kellerman that night. They called Marquez running. Fact is his back barely touched the ropes. Fact is the Pacman offense was hushed. Most of the clean effective punches were landed by Marquez. I've watched the fight about 10 times at least & Marquez owned the 11th.

Manny's footwork was garbage. All he used ot for was to jump in, throw meaningless punches & dart away. He coudn't trap Marquez, he never hurt him & Roach was begging for a ko. Compubox was way way of. Most people don't know that its just some guy tapping away at punches that he believes landed. If Merchant or that other idiot were doing compu box, you'd swear the fight was a 1 sided beating in favor of Pacman.

Yep and that was a rough rough damaging fight for Manny. Marquez fought the best strategy he could have and probably was as effective as he could have been. His only problem was running out of gas in the 12th, other than that stellar performance.

[josenoway]

Steward's right, if it's a really close fight, you need to press the action just as much as your opponent, otherwise you run the risk of having the rounds stolen from you.

And HBO's color commentary is kind of a joke these days. Lampley, Merchant, meh. Steward's not bad, and Roy Jones was fun to listen to when he filled in.

[Bee Keepz]

1st off bro, the only commentator that was remotely accurate was kellerman that night. They called Marquez running. Fact is his back barely touched the ropes. Fact is the Pacman offense was hushed. Most of the clean effective punches were landed by Marquez. I've watched the fight about 10 times at least & Marquez owned the 11th.

Manny's footwork was garbage. All he used ot for was to jump in, throw meaningless punches & dart away. He coudn't trap Marquez, he never hurt him & Roach was begging for a ko. Compubox was way way of. Most people don't know that its just some guy tapping away at punches that he believes landed. If Merchant or that other idiot were doing compu box, you'd swear the fight was a 1 sided beating in favor of Pacman.

Right...look Marquez is disagreeing with you...he's shaking his head "NO"...

[PACsmash]

1st off bro, the only commentator that was remotely accurate was kellerman that night. They called Marquez running. Fact is his back barely touched the ropes. Fact is the Pacman offense was hushed. Most of the clean effective punches were landed by Marquez. I've watched the fight about 10 times at least & Marquez owned the 11th.

Manny's footwork was garbage. All he used ot for was to jump in, throw meaningless punches & dart away. He coudn't trap Marquez, he never hurt him & Roach was begging for a ko. Compubox was way way of. Most people don't know that its just some guy tapping away at punches that he believes landed. If Merchant or that other idiot were doing compu box, you'd swear the fight was a 1 sided beating in favor of Pacman.

Marquez face tell a different story. I guess the punches did landed.

[PACsmash]

Steward's right, if it's a really close fight, you need to press the action just as much as your opponent, otherwise you run the risk of having the rounds stolen from you.

And HBO's color commentary is kind of a joke these days. Lampley, Merchant, meh. Steward's not bad, and Roy Jones was fun to listen to when he filled in.

Roy is a cool commentator but they can't put Roy in when there's an african American fighting a hispanic or any other race because Roy tends to favor the AA fighter when he talks.

[BillyBoxing]

OK, first off this isn't a "JMM v Pac" thing all over again I just wanted to talk about the HBO commentary during that fight which I thought was one of the worst in any recent fight I can remember.

Between Lampley screaming everytime Pac whiffed on a shot and acting like he just crushed JMM or the first 4 rounds of Manny Stewart talking about how fast and great Pac is only to reverse it after the 6th round was just so frustrating.

Anyway this is my point. In the last two rounds of that fight, everyone saw it as a close fight (except Letterman but what's new) and Manny Stewart said that JMM should go on the attack to win the fight, here's my HUGE problem with that.

If you line up Pac and JMM side by side and list their PHYSICAL attributes only, there's not one category where JMM wins......ZERO. Pac is faster, quicker, bigger, stronger, takes a better punch, hits harder than JMM. He is also an excellent counter puncher as well, something a lot of fans don't give Pac credit for.

So if JMM comes forward, isn't that the completely WRONG tactical thing to do because that will put you in danger of getting knocked down or possibly knocked out? See when Manny comes forward, he has the speed to avoid a lot of JMM counter shots but it wouldn't be the same in reverse.

So how the *** could Manny Stewart, a veteran of the sport and HOF trainer be asking for JMM to come forward and attack when that is the exact thing he should NEVER be doing vs a fighter like Pac?

Am I wrong here?

The HBO crew sucks, what about Lerderman's card who gave 8 rounds to pac.
Steward isn't giving his true opinion, he isn't ******.

JMM fought a smart fight, the best of the three IMO.

I think the three fights are close, even the third

But I thought and I still think Pacquiao got robbed with that draw in their first fight(he wasn't under Arum) because a judge scored the first round 10-7 for Pac (JMM went to the canevas 3 times) instead of 10-6 wich means without the 3 KD he scored it 10-10 wich is ******ed.

I don't know about the second fight, could have gone either.
6 rds+KD vs 6 rds so win for Pac or 7rds vs 5 rds+KD for JMM.

But I'm tempted to give the third to Marquez altough it's a close fight again.

My point is JMM lost the two first fights because he tried to bully Pac and went to the canevas.

I think JMM was so cautious because he knew trading with Pac, even for few seconds can cost him the fight.

Cotto fought a good fight against Pac until he stopped to box and started to trade with Manny.