Comments Thread For: Tavoris Cloud: I Would Love To Defeat Bernard Hopkins

[richardt]

ИATAS206 - once again you missed the point. Fights are not fought on paper. And your Rico example totally misses the point. Triangle theories prove that your Rico example fails. If you were not so new to boxing you would realize that pressure fighters ALSO beat movement!!!! History is littered with this!! That is why some fighters cut the ring off, use in-fighting, and stop movement with body punches. That is why the fight could go either way!!!

[richardt]

Cloud struggles against lateral movement, hopkins has great lateral movement. How does one cut down a pressure fighters output? Movement. It's simple really.

No, it is NOT simple or there would be NO reason to fight. And all those boxers with great movement who were stopped by pressure fighters - would have instead won all those fights.

[damit305]

and that's the one thing that gives cloud a good chance...hopkins age. If Hopkins has anything left he beats Cloud. But we really have no idea if he does until the actual fight. So my arguing may be pointless haha

Lol, I hear you. One things for certain, if I had to place my money which fighter can compete until 60 rest assure it would be Hopkins.

[ИATAS]

ИATAS206 - once again you missed the point. Fights are not fought on paper. And your Rico example totally misses the point. Triangle theories prove that your Rico example fails.

What triangle theory? I used an example of styles and that your point of looking at the end result is silly. You must analyze the entire fight. You can't just say "oh well Cloud got the KO against a C class fighter therefor it doesn't matter he was getting out boxed!"

If you were not so new to boxing you would realize that pressure fighters ALSO beat movement!!!! History is littered with this!! That is why some fighters cut the ring off, use in-fighting, and stop movement with body punches. That is why the fight could go either way!!!

Now I'm new to boxing? Ok, maybe you're much older than me (i'm in my 30's) but I have Hopkins entire career on DVD and I have every Cloud fight that has ever been recorded. I'm very familiar with both fighters and their tendencies.

Yes, I'm well aware there are tons of examples of pressure fighters beating guys with movement. I'm not talking about those people I'm specifically talking about Cloud vs Hopkins. Cloud does not really cut off the ring very well and you can see that against Mack. Hopkins is a master at what he does and frankly, pressure fighters like Cloud is exactly what Hopkins looks the best against. Look at his entire career from Glen Johnson to Pavlik, Hopkins always destroys pressure fighters.

[richardt]

You can't just say "oh well Cloud got the KO against a C class fighter therefor it doesn't matter he was getting out boxed!"

Again, you are new to boxing or you would know that there are guys who have been outboxed by a lessor boxer yet have more success against a better boxer because of styles!!! On top of that, they learned from example Mack on what not to do. They adjust. You need to realize the fight can go either way, depending on whose gameplan works on THAT night.

[ИATAS]

Again, you are new to boxing or you would know that there are guys who have been outboxed by a lessor boxer yet have more success against a better boxer because of styles!!! On top of that, they learned from example Mack on what not to do. They adjust. You need to realize the fight can go either way, depending on whose gameplan works on THAT night.

How can we assume Cloud learned anything from the Mack fight if he hasn't fought since? Using my boxing knowledge, guys typically don't fix their problems in one fight. Since I'm new to boxing apparently maybe I'm wrong about that and it happens all the time.

Let's see how Cloud looks against Campillo and we'll talk then. Let's see if he learned how to properly cut off the ring against a boxer.

[THE REED]

I picked Cintron to beat Margarito in their rematch, if we are airing out dirty laundry, lmaoooo.

2500 e-points. Down the drain.....

Damn, son... you're probably still paying for that poor investment.

[THE REED]

ИATAS206 - once again you missed the point. Fights are not fought on paper. And your Rico example totally misses the point. Triangle theories prove that your Rico example fails. If you were not so new to boxing you would realize that pressure fighters ALSO beat movement!!!! History is littered with this!! That is why some fighters cut the ring off, use in-fighting, and stop movement with body punches. That is why the fight could go either way!!!

You speak to others in a very condescending manner.

Not sure if you're aware of that.

[richardt]

""""Hopkins always destroys pressure fighters""". And Cloud "Always" beats his opponent, untill proven otherwise. The word ALWAYS in both cases is subjective. You NEVER just look at one fight. Hell, even ONE of these two can get caught, have an off night, get old, not get in synch with their gameplan...that is why EITHER guy's plan can work for him on a given night.

[richardt]

How can we assume Cloud learned anything from the Mack fight if he hasn't fought since?.

How can we assume he has not. Most fighters learn, especially when they have such few fights. He learned how to corner Mack, unload and KO him. That means he can wear down and catch up to Hopkins. And the Campillo fight doesn't mean anything. He could still lose that fight, beat Hopkins, lose to Dawson, or the reverse. You HAVE to be open to different scenarios.