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  • #31
    I didn't say Pacsal is a pressure fighter, I said he throws less and doesn't hit as hard as Cloud. You missed the point, anyone knows that a fighter does not get up for Mack like a Hopkins fight. Mack was knocked out, period. A man can be in great health and die of a heart attack. You dont talk about how good his health was. He died. Mack was KO'd. Guess you didn't realize that there are many fighters with great movement who lost to pressure fighters. Your equation is only half true.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by reedickyaluss View Post
      The days of Bernard stoppages are over, especially at the top of the division.

      If that were the case he would of at least knocked out Rico Suave 2 years ago
      He should fight an absolute bum just one time before he retires. I mean a like a 6-22 type bum. I mean if Joan Guzman & Paulie Malignaggi got recent KO's, man, that's sad!

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      • #33
        Hopkins - Zelenoff PPV.

        Id pay 5 bucks.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bushbaby View Post
          Me too, cloud applies his pressure the correct way. He steps into a retrieting fighters path & cuts him off. The Paclik comparo is simply horrible. Pavlik follows in straight lines. He couldn't even pressure the smaller Martinez.

          The style matchup, constant pressure & body attack will beat an aging B-Hop & Dawson who loves to bend at the waist & give away his height under pressure & has a shady gas tank.
          Tavoris strikes me as straight doesn't giving a **** when he's in the ring. exsperssion stays the same. Doesn't ***** or complain. No nonsense. No excuses no explanations. Just punches in his card, goes to work, punches out. He reminds me of Hagler in that respect and Marvin is my favorite of all time.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
            Name one that worked well against Hopkins. Just one.
            Name one fighter who hits as hard as Cloud that he fought. Not Pavlik, Not Trinidad, not Pascal. Goes both ways. Who said "Walk in the park"???? Very easy to see Cloud's pressure catching up to Hopkins and wearing out his old legs. It happens. 50-50 fight.

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            • #36
              I picked Cintron to beat Margarito in their rematch, if we are airing out dirty laundry, lmaoooo.

              2500 e-points. Down the drain.....

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              • #37
                Originally posted by richardt View Post
                I didn't say Pacsal is a pressure fighter, I said he throws less and doesn't hit as hard as Cloud. You missed the point, anyone knows that a fighter does not get up for Mack like a Hopkins fight. Mack was knocked out, period. A man can be in great health and die of a heart attack. You dont talk about how good his health was. He died. Mack was KO'd. Guess you didn't realize that there are many fighters with great movement who lost to pressure fighters. Your equation is only half true.
                That's BS man, when analyzing fights you don't only look at the end result, that's how people lose money on boxing. You look at the entire fight, especially against lesser opponents. You look at how the fighter does against certain styles, their tendencies, their weaknesses and strengths etc.

                If we use your logic it doesn't matter that Rico Ramos was easily getting out-boxed by Akifumi Shimoda and the only thing that mattered was he got the KO. How did I and most everyone else know that Rigondeaux was going to destroy Ramos? Because Ramos struggled badly against someone with basic boxing skills and Rigondeaux is a hell of a lot better of a boxer than Shimoda. Same type of theory applies to Cloud vs Hopkins. Cloud struggles against lateral movement, hopkins has great lateral movement. How does one cut down a pressure fighters output? Movement. It's simple really.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by richardt View Post
                  Name one fighter who hits as hard as Cloud that he fought. Not Pavlik, Not Trinidad, not Pascal. Goes both ways. Who said "Walk in the park"???? Very easy to see Cloud's pressure catching up to Hopkins and wearing out his old legs. It happens. 50-50 fight.
                  If you check my history you'll know I'm a huge Cloud fan. I've been rockin his sigs for years. With that said, his power isn't as much as it's made out to be. He has one KO in four fights after he stepped up competition. decision wins against Woods, Johnson & Fulgencio Zuniga (who was KO'd by Pavlik & Bute). Cloud is what I call heavy handed. He's the type of guy that gets his KO's from a volume of punches over time. When his output is cut and half, and he's not landing much, it's going to be hard for him to get the KO.

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                  • #39
                    Cloud's pressure too much for Bhop? I dunno, I've seen this 'pressure fighter theory' proven wrong so many times especially vs the Executioner. However, As repetitive as this may sound, I did get a glimpse of father time creeping on Bhop during the recent circus show vs Dawson.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by damit305 View Post
                      However, As repetitive as this may sound, I did get a glimpse of father time creeping on Bhop during the recent circus show vs Dawson.
                      and that's the one thing that gives cloud a good chance...hopkins age. If Hopkins has anything left he beats Cloud. But we really have no idea if he does until the actual fight. So my arguing may be pointless haha

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