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    #71
    Originally posted by Calabis
    No I don't give Floyd all the credit and is career has been two fold....early on Floyd was the best talent boxing had seen in years.....he also was the most avoided fighters prior to DLH giving him a break...no big names wanted to fight Mayweather because he was to dangerous and didn't generate a ton of cash, but boxing heads had him pound for pound the best fighter for years......simple really ask Mosley he avoided him

    People say he avoided Cotto, when he told Arum he would fight him for 10 million, Arum himself did not want Cotto to fight him, he wanted to build up Cotto first and his words make a Hearns vs Leonard type fight...his plan failed

    Too much crap goes on behind the scenes in boxing....what Pacfans fail to remember is that Mayweather was a Arum fighter, Arum built him up and put him in favorable matchups and situations....u know kinda like he's doing with Pacman, yet u consider that as great. Mayweather had dominated every fighter put in front of him, that's what I have observed....call them cherry picked or whatever, fact remains he has beat multiple champions and top contenders that's earned my respect.

    Pacfans love to bring up Mays weight against Marquez, yet ignore the weight stipulations Pac has put on fighters. It's comical...pacfans are the worst I have seen, from gender comments, racial spurs, degrading people...over what? Two guys not fighting?

    Sorry dude, I like several fighters, I'm not stuck on one guy, I love aspects of several fighters, ill never claim to be a true boxing guy, like some on here who are actually involved in the sport and know far more than I do, but I am a fan of boxing and try to watch as many fights as i can
    tell me ...what is the extreme weight advantage Manny has had on any fighter 147 and higher. who had the biggest weight dis advantage in your opinion

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    • SpeedKillz
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      #72
      Originally posted by PAC-BOY
      Manny gets fighter of decade Floyd goes to Jail. Fact.
      Whos better? lol Your op pinion as well is comical to me. I love to also find humor in people who act as silly as you do. How someone can think Foyd is better than Manny is insanely funny! Poor thing
      luckily smart boxing fans understand personal lives have nothing to do with ring skills. fact. floyd is a better boxer. fact. floyd has better defense. fact. floyd is a better counter puncher. fact. floyd has a higher ring IQ. fact. manny is a nicer guy, there I threw that in for you. Im glad you find my post comical too, taking things in stride is the best way to recover from delusion. keep it up you'll get there soon pal
      Last edited by SpeedKillz; 02-10-2012, 11:15 AM.

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        #73
        Originally posted by PAC-BOY
        David Diaz: Won 9 straight until Manny moved up a division and Ko'd him in 9rounds.
        DLH:[moving up two weight classes] After losing a very close Split Decision to Floyd he fought Forbes winning a UD weighing 150lbs before fighting Manny @ 147lbs !! DLH officially weighed 145 @ weigh-in! Manny made him quit on the stool because He was to much for him. DLH admits this after the fight!
        Ricky Hatton:Had two wins over Lazcano and Malignaggi after his first loss to Mayweather TKOing him in 10rds. Hatton fought Pacquiao at his weight and Manny KOd him in 2rds!
        Miguel Cotto: After suffering his first loss to Margarito he fought twice...Jennings,scoring a tko in 5rds and a very close SD win with Clottey! [some had Clottey winner] Cotto was asked to give up 2lbs @145. being Cotto has weighed 145-147 for last three years before this fight! Cotto was beat up for 12rds and tko'd in 12th.[Cotto went onto win 3 straight]
        Clottey: Manny fought Clottey after Clottey had a very close lost to Cotto. Simply because the hype was Cotto lost to Clottey or it could have went both ways! Clottey was not beaten or hurt by Cotto so the very close decison loss to Cotto didnt bother him at all. Pacquiao fought Clottey @ 147 after finding out he was comfortable at this weight. 12rd shutout Clottey didnt have a chance!
        Mosley: Shane had a fight after his lost to Decision lost to Floyd. He got a 12 draw with Mora @ 154. Manny won a UD and knocked Shane down during the fight. [Mosley asked corner to stop the fight]
        Margarito: After an 18mth layoff Margarito came back and won first fight against Garcia. A shake the ring rust off fight. Manny took Margarito on even though the weight reach and size advantage wasnt in his favor. Marg was beaten badly! Marag looked like a fighter who was out classed not one that was rusty or shot. He fought to the end!
        JMM won 3 straight after his last loss. Yet again comes up short with another loss to Pacquiao. Manny out threw ,out landed,and threw more and landed more power punches as stated by the punch stats in compubox! (done especially for KEV) hehe
        Bradley:
        Talk about viewing the glass as half full

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          #74
          Originally posted by SpeedKillz
          luckily smart boxing fans understand personal lives have nothing to do with ring skills. fact. floyd is a better boxer. fact. floyd has better defense. fact. floyd is a better counter puncher. fact. floyd has a higher ring IQ. fact. manny is a nicer guy, there I threw that in for you. Im glad you find my post comical to, taking things in stride is the best way to recover from delusion. keep it up you'll get there soon pal
          Well you must not be that smart pal. Because what you do outside the ring can and does have something to do with your skills. It can bother your training and fight. This sport is 75% mental and 25% physical. If you got things upstairs that shouldn't be there(nonsense) it could cost you! Floyd does have a better defense than Manny! Floyds a pot shot type of countering fighter. Thats good for tomato can type fighters that sit there to be hit. that's why hes been undefeated. And why he ducks real challenges. Floyds IQ in the ring really hasnt been tested. Hes had to many gimmies and hes only fought 7 times in around 8 years. Not a very active fighter either. And i even know you know Manny is the nicer guy, nice try lol. Its funny that the man gets fighter of the decade and only a chosen few can see why. The numbers are not in *****s favor here. To many outside of NSB would disagree with you. But its ok though. everyone has to have a dream...Keep dreaming.
          oh Santa Clause isnt real!

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            #75
            Originally posted by PAC-BOY
            tell me ...what is the extreme weight advantage Manny has had on any fighter 147 and higher. who had the biggest weight dis advantage in your opinion
            See this is where guys like me and u think 5lbs isn't ****...the average boxing fan is like 5lbs ok whatever.....world class boxers don't walk around like the average person...they don't have tons of fat to burn.....5 lbs may require them to go into dangerously low in body fat, burn muscle and dehydrate themselves....when has dehydration become healthy? See perfect example Margarito, 154 totally ripped, still needed to lose 4lbs, muscle is now being burned, and his body fat is dangerously low, energy levels and strength now come into play and are affected. He re-hydrates back to 165 after weigh in, now he has put on water weight over lost muscle and low body fat, now his weaker body is trying to carry a weight that would normally be comfortable for him. Hence sluggish, weaker man

            DLH and Margarito were the biggest imo, Manny wins regardless, but its just another advantage he gets, and makes it that much easier.

            If catchweights are such a non factor it makes u wonder why he keeps using them on the bigger guys, yet he doesnt drop to 140 for guys like Marquez....simple it would affect his energy level and strength.

            Let's not forget Morales either, he Damn near passed out at the weigh in
            Last edited by Calabis; 02-10-2012, 11:29 AM.

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              #76
              Originally posted by PAC-BOY
              about the gay part...i dunno if he is or not..he wears pink sweaters and shoes and gloves at times and he beats on women....and he looks it too.

              appreciate your opinion on the rest though. I will agree to disagree although.
              I bet you give Floyd All credit and think hes done amazing in his career and hes the best ever huh
              Thats how you know a real Pac stan. If someone isnt a fan of Manny, theyre a ***** right? They cant be a fan of any other fighter. If you dont support Manny, youre a *****. I cant wait til you guys just leave the sport.

              Shouts to Kev, BushBaby and Wendys for doing an epic job on this tard.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Calabis
                See this is where guys like me and u think 5lbs isn't ****...the average boxing fan is like 5lbs ok whatever.....world class boxers don't walk around like the average person...they don't have tons of fat to burn.....5 lbs may require them to go into dangerously low in body fat, burn muscle and dehydrate themselves....when has dehydration become healthy? See perfect example Margarito, 154 totally ripped, still needed to lose 4lbs, muscle is now being burned, and his body fat is dangerously low, energy levels and strength now come into play and are affected. He re-hydrates back to 165 after weigh in, now he has put on water weight over lost muscle and low body fat, now his weaker body is trying to carry a weight that would normally be comfortable for him. Hence sluggish, weaker man

                DLH and Margarito were the biggest imo, Manny wins regardless, but its just another advantage he gets, and makes it that much easier.

                If catchweights are such a non factor it makes u wonder why he keeps using them on the bigger guys, yet he doesnt drop to 140 for guys like Marquez....simple it would affect his energy level and strength.
                you act like they are forced in their to lose weight. If they dont or cant do it then they wont do it. WTF you think these guys just started doing this. Guys like you should take another lesson in making weight. Some can some cant. And they know what their limitations are. They dont have to take the fight. Thats called an educated business move. For both. Bradley walks around at 160 155plus ... he fights at 140. I personally fight under 10lbs of my walk around weight. Thats nothing. Guys in the gym lose 20-30 lbs easy for a fight. And still are productive. Just because i dont like your fighter or agree with everything you say dont mean i dont know ****. You look bad when you think that!

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by PAC-BOY
                  Well you must not be that smart pal. Because what you do outside the ring can and does have something to do with your skills. It can bother your training and fight. This sport is 75% mental and 25% physical. If you got things upstairs that shouldn't be there(nonsense) it could cost you! Floyd does have a better defense than Manny! Floyds a pot shot type of countering fighter. Thats good for tomato can type fighters that sit there to be hit. that's why hes been undefeated. And why he ducks real challenges. Floyds IQ in the ring really hasnt been tested. Hes had to many gimmies and hes only fought 7 times in around 8 years. Not a very active fighter either. And i even know you know Manny is the nicer guy, nice try lol. Its funny that the man gets fighter of the decade and only a chosen few can see why. The numbers are not in *****s favor here. To many outside of NSB would disagree with you. But its ok though. everyone has to have a dream...Keep dreaming.
                  oh Santa Clause isnt real!


                  you have overtaken the number 1 spot.

                  and dont you *******s think manny IS Santa Clause, and jesus, and god, and the holy spirit. and yes I know manny is the nicer guy, hence why I said it. Good thing being a nice guy makes a you greater fighter... you have great pride in your phillipino sensation, cool, but remember, pride comes before the fall

                  One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest...

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Elotero
                    Thats how you know a real Pac stan. If someone isnt a fan of Manny, theyre a ***** right? They cant be a fan of any other fighter. If you dont support Manny, youre a *****. I cant wait til you guys just leave the sport.

                    Shouts to Kev, BushBaby and Wendys for doing an epic job on this tard.
                    Shouts? oh boy...they came got smashed and left. Who said anything about not being a fan of any other? You said that. I love dealing with special people. Its sad but funny at the same time. Read what you want Know what you want. Think what you want. Its called selective thinking. Its a struggle for you and most thats been on this thread to think outside the box. I will never leave the sport. And saying you guys is what referring to Pinoys? Sorry bro...myself was in this sport before Manny fought in America. And when he leaves ill still be here.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by SpeedKillz


                      you have overtaken the number 1 spot.

                      and dont you *******s think manny IS Santa Clause, and jesus, and god, and the holy spirit. and yes I know manny is the nicer guy, hence why I said it. Good thing being a nice guy makes a you greater fighter... you have great pride in your sensation, cool, but remember, pride comes before the fall

                      One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest...
                      Thank you for giving me the #1 spot. Manny is not Santa Clause. He's Manny Clause! Surely not God. Maybe a Boxing God heheheee...

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