Pac refused to fight this version of Cotto without a CW

[BuckToothed]

1) I think he only fought Miguel with a CW, it's negotiation tactics

2) He was playing hardball with Miguel, if team Cotto had held out longer they probably would have the gotten 147 but would have been squeezed more on the money , its just the negotiation process a small WW uses with his 2nd fight in the division.

3) The Marg fight was at JMW so I'm not sure how this is valid. Again it was a negotiation tactic, you know like the ones Mayweather uses.


Boom!! Got anymore??

He's prolly referring to JMM 3 where Manny fought him at 144, that CW benefited JMM. The 150 CW also benefited Margarito against Manny who weigh in at 144.

Cotto didnt complain about the 145 CW until much later down the road, when the idea of a rematch at 154 came up.
Similarly, he didn't complain about the Margarito wraps until they're up for a rematch. So it was obvious he used them as an excuse when it suited him.

[BuckToothed]

Reloaded, can you answer why a 2-time 154 champion and currently rated #1 at JMW, fighting THE 154 champion at 152? The Ring, WBC, WBA, etc. and possibly a new lineage at 154 are on the line for a 152 CW????

[The Big Dunn]

Shame Cotto didnt say the same thing...I think I'll go with his opinion. It didnt affect him, and I dont imagine for one minute that this will affect Canelo adversely either. You kind of kept it real there for the first time ever, so hope springs eternal...except for Reloaded. He is destined and by the looks of it resigned to his fate, but fair play, he seems to be going down playing the same song like the band on the titanic!

the 2lbs-no matter how classy the opponent is-makes a difference. it may not equate to being "drained" but it has an affect, whether it be on fight night or during preparation.

Canelo has said he will be comfortable at 152, same as cotto said for 145. I can respect their opinion but I look at it from the bigger fighter's point of view. In any business deal, I tend to focus on the things the larger entity can gain.

once Canelo said the fight HAD to be at 154, you knew it was going to be less than that.

[The Big Dunn]

Reloaded, can you answer why a 2-time 154 champion and currently rated #1 at JMW, fighting THE 154 champion at 152? The Ring, WBC, WBA, etc. and possibly a new lineage at 154 are on the line for a 152 CW????

because he is the lineal ww champion who was good enough to go up and beat the JMW champ in 2007 and in 2012. just for purposes of bashing floyd and arguing with his fans that post you are acting as if JMW is where he campaigns at.

canelo wants to get paid and floyd knows this. so he used his leverage to make the fight at 152 for the same reasons ODH and Bhop unified MW titles at 157-bigger draws create ideal circumstances for themselves.

[junior gong]

the 2lbs-no matter how classy the opponent is-makes a difference. it may not equate to being "drained" but it has an affect, whether it be on fight night or during preparation.

Canelo has said he will be comfortable at 152, same as cotto said for 145. I can respect their opinion but I look at it from the bigger fighter's point of view. In any business deal, I tend to focus on the things the larger entity can gain.

once Canelo said the fight HAD to be at 154, you knew it was going to be less than that.

Thats a massive and most likely erroneous generalisation.

[The Big Dunn]

Thats a massive and most likely erroneous generalisation.

It makes sense the affect can't be determined until the fight actaully happens so I'm generalizing to an extent. In cotto/manny I think it exacerbated Cotto's stamina issues. Thats what I think floyd and his team think will happen as well.

[Wenger Is God]

It makes sense the affect can't be determined until the fight actaully happens so I'm generalizing to an extent. In cotto/manny I think it exacerbated Cotto's stamina issues. Thats what I think floyd and his team think will happen as well.

Stamina had nothing to do with it. Pacquiao knocked the fight out of Cotto with that uppercut in the 4th round.

[HeroBando]

reloaded is getting pounded and he should. that said, manny's last 2 titles are at CW. whether floyd beats canelo or not he has won all of his titles at non CW and didn't have a bogus title win like manny's JMW title.
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True, Pac's welter title was initially tailnted by the CW, but was legitimized when Pac realized he's not too small for his 7th division and does not need a CW to defend. Unlike Floyd who started off with a legit looking belt, then delegitimized it by admitting he can't compete on level ground in his 5th division. It's telling you have to go back to the DLH BHop precedent. DLH was the definition of a paper champ at 160.

[junior gong]

It makes sense the affect can't be determined until the fight actaully happens so I'm generalizing to an extent. In cotto/manny I think it exacerbated Cotto's stamina issues. Thats what I think floyd and his team think will happen as well.

Cotto's stamina issues? Thats a new one.. I would have said it had more to do with Manny hammering him like a tent peg for round after round. Canelo does seem to have some genuine stamina problems and this fight has probably come a little too early for him as he needs fights to rectify that. I fully expect Floyd to win, probably by stoppage around the 10th and I dont believe the weight is a factor at all. I have no problem with the CW, just like the situation with Manny or anyone else fighting at one, never had in all my years following the sport. The only time a CW pissed me off was Leonard v Lalonde, but it wasnt the weight that annoyed me, it was having world titles at two weights on the line. That WAS scandalous.

[The Big Dunn]

True, Pac's welter title was initially tailnted by the CW, but was legitimized when Pac realized he's not too small for his 7th division and does not need a CW to defend. Unlike Floyd who started off with a legit looking belt, then delegitimized it by admitting he can't compete on level ground in his 5th division. It's telling you have to go back to the DLH BHop precedent. DLH was the definition of a paper champ at 160.

no it wasn't. the only ww he defended title against were clottey and shane (post floyd). he never defended against a top ww-the rest were JMM, bradley moving up in weight. thats why there was no cw (except manny/jmm 3 was 144 i think).

floyd won the jmw title twice-5 yrs apart- at 154. no matter what happens in the canelo fight you can't change or delegitimize that.

the number of weight classes is a function of the time period and manny starting at a smaller weight than floyd.

the bhop odh fight is the last super fight where this happened thats why I went back to it. no matter what you think of odh's title that doesn't change the fact it was a unification fight at a cw lower than top weight.