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  • Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
    no he didn't. not at all

    it had nothing to do with my post to him. that clown just says what he wants, regardless of what the topic at hand is.

    here's how that exact topic went down.







    talk about hurt feelings, he thought I was talking about floyd's competition when I was clearly saying that floyd counts on fans who are "enamored with names" to sell fights then he starts ranting...

    what a clown. his whole posting style is to compelty disregard the topic at hand and go on a tangent that makes no sense.

    he says the only thing that matter is what happens in the ring in one post, and the next post is that the only thing that matter in judging a fighters competition is if they are ranked in the top 3 at the time. Which is it? what happen in the ring or a bullshi t ranking by an alphabet soup organization?

    he exclusively posts in threads about floyd, pac, their times, or cotto. but he knows everything and everyone in boxing


    i didnt go through the entirety of the back and fourth (or whatever you want to call whatever he does,) and for that i apologise

    the only sound point i saw that i agree with was the bit about the top guys in divsiions not fighting the top contender one after the other, and i didnt want mention it in terms of its relevance to the discussion because i wasnt really following it.
    i just pointed out the only bit i thought was at least sane


    i always like to think its easier to get a point across with a
    "I understand the points you are making, but.."


    the guy is clearly a clown, and i wasn't supporting any of his claims outside of the point about #1 contenders, and wasnt trying to make any implications about its bearing on the discussion at hand (which like i said, i wasnt able to follow. these threads are just FLYING these days with all the hot stove discussion.)


    and i definitely dont like how he conducts himself

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    • Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
      wow, arguing against yourself again.

      you don't post back for so long, you have no clue what's going on in the posts.

      froch was willing to take chances, correct. has canelo shown to be that guy? NO!

      End of your entire bullshi t rants.

      I've pointed out your contradictions countless times, it's old and you're a winbag that changes his story every time you post. like I'm going to waste time on that....

      this is about your comparing canelo to froch. nothing else. you stay focused.
      As usual, you're a day late and a dollar short.

      So because Froch took chances, that justifies him being better than he really is?

      You haven't pointed **** out. And I invited you to do so but as usual, you show up with your thumb up your asss.

      The difference between Canelo and Froch is that Froch started off early ... which is commendable, but he lost to an overrated Kessler early on. There's a very strong argument to be made that he lost to Dirrell as well.

      And we saw how he was made to realize that he wasn't world stage material when he faced Ward, right?

      Canelo is green, but Cintron was a step up. Not a world stage step up but the kid is coming along nicely. Canelo has more tools, better technique and more power than Froch. He has yet to have his chin checked thoroughly but if he passes that test he will definitely be up for a world stage challenge.

      Being green is no sin and nothing to be ashamed of. Froch saw a chance and took it. It was a calculated risk where Froch stood to gain everything and really at that point had nothing to lose by entering the Super Six.

      Carl was green at the beginning of the Super Six. It was what he showed during that tournament that has made him a top player. Froch is no better than Canelo. He's just a more proven commodity by at least 2 or 3 fights.

      I can address you all day with clear and concise points because I know my ****. You on the other hands have to hammer at the same things over and over because you've run out of things you can discuss competently.

      That much is clear, but I ain't mad at ya. You're just ... ****** persistent.

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      • Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ View Post
        I disagree with you look at Cotto's list of opponents from 2006 to present day

        Paul Malignaggi - 21-0 tough kid from Brooklyn very good skills and difficut to deal with

        Carlos Quintana - 23-0 1st fight at 147lbs & the first to beat Paul Williams

        Oktay Urkal - 38-3 tough opponent &good measuring stick for Cotto @ 147lbs

        Zab Judah - 34-4 Former undisputed WW champion at that time still on top

        Shane Mosley - 44-4 - Former P4P Champion and future hall fame still very good at the time of the bout

        Alfonso Gomez - 18-3-2 - tough fighter (everyone needs a tune up bout right?)

        Antonio Margarito - 36-5 - At the time the most feared man in boxing a beast

        Michael Jennings - 34-1 - A tune up bout after Cotto loss to Margarito ( he needed a break after the last few fights)

        Joshua Clottey - 35-2 - Also one of the most feared fighters @ the time and a very good fighter

        Manny Pacquiao - 49-3-2 - P4P Champion

        Yuri Foreman - 28-0 - undefeated Junior Middle Weight Champion and a very skilled fighter

        Ricardo Mayorga - 29-7 - Good tune up for the rematch with Margarito. mayorga is a agressive fighter

        Antonio Margarito - 38-7 - Ghost that loomed large in Miguels mind.....LEFTY


        certainly a very nice resume from a great fighter.
        dont get me wrong, i do appreciate miguel cotto

        he had some nice W's at 140 as well and was in some terrific fights.

        i think he's an eventual hall of famer
        and i don't mind anybody calling him a great.
        i do. miguel cotto is a great fighter.

        i've come to consider the ATG distinction for discussion purposes only the top 100 of all time, and he's well short of that in my book.

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        • Originally posted by New England View Post
          you started out making some fair points
          no fighter fights the best opposition out there with any consistency, one after the other.
          Yes, that is a fair point.

          Originally posted by New England View Post
          they never have and they never will. the fights get too hard to make
          the fighters wear down
          the businesses end up losing their assets (the fighters,) prematurely, and arent able to maximize the profits from them by extending their careers by incurring less risk
          Agreed. That is the nature of how the game is played.

          Originally posted by New England View Post
          then you started acting like a child
          and you finshed it up acting like a fool
          Like a fool, huh? Notice how you backed up your first two assertions. then you slip an opinion in there without substantiating it as if YOU'RE opinion showehow ... matters?

          Originally posted by New England View Post
          marco antonio barrera > miguel cotto
          In what way?

          Marco Antonio Barrera has fought his ass off ... against at best mediocre opposition for the bulk of his career. Not only that, he was once "AWARDED"
          a title after being beaten by Morales once Morales went up in weight up in weight to face bigger and better things.

          Marco Antonio Barrera has lost EACH AND EVERY TIME he has stepped up to the world stage excluding his wins over Morales and a much hyped Prince Hamed.

          At least Cotto attempted to fight some of the best. How many years did Barrera duck Marquez? After Raheem beat Morales for 12 rounds, both avoided him.

          Who has Barrera fought that would warrant him being being great? A drugged up Tapia? Ayala? MAB got beat TWICE bot freakin Rocky Juarez.

          C'mon dude. And you have the nerve to call me child and a fool? Only a fool would call that kind of mediocrity "great". And only a child would attempt to make this dialogue hostile when those facts are CLEAR AS DAY.

          Originally posted by New England View Post
          that's going to be something you're going to have to learn to deal with, again, at the risk of sounding like a complete fool
          Actually, the only thing I've had to learn to deal with is weak minded peasants who so desperately want to seem smarter than they are trying to be "witty" when your posts fall flat when your delivery sucks.

          You're not funny. You're not witty. And you're overvalue your intelligence much like you overvalue Barrera's "great" career.

          Cotto isn't much better. He's had to chase vacant belts his entire career before facing a champion in Yuri Foreman at 154lbs. Cotto has been rocked several times and brought to the brink of defeat guys like Corley and Clottey, and had to get dirty to survive and win. Cotto also fails every time he steps up to the world championship stage.

          That's why he fought a damaged Margarito who nearly killed him last time. It wasn't really revenge because Margarito's eye is a KNOWN handicap. I don't believe that Cotto would have won without Antonio's eye being seriously damaged. He could have and should have been seeking a fight with Chavez Jr or Martinez, but instead chose to have a man who has had relatively NO SUCCESS at 154lbs fight him to bring up his already shoddy stock.

          I don't care for either fighter's career, but they do come to fight. That much is true. Its just that desperate sycophants like you need to take honest praise like that and turn it into compete hyperbole to suit your own needs.

          You want to speak boxing? Bring it. But stop hiding behind insults and alternate screen names.

          It really brings out the b!tch-asssness in your eyes.

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          • Originally posted by bojangles1987 View Post
            Don't waste time with Brother Jay. He has an agenda, he lies to support that agenda, and he will troll you over and over until you wonder why you bothered.
            Well .. my only agenda has been to call it like it is.

            You call me a troll?

            Hahaha ...I have spoken more about actual boxing topics this year alone than you have in the last 12 months.

            Maybe you should read what you write.

            I write about boxing.

            You comment on comments and those who write them.

            Most peasants here are like that. They are more concerned with comments than boxing. That's how most of the foolishness gets started here.

            In my last reply to you, it had ALL to do with boxing.

            What did your comment I am replying to have to do with???????

            You make it way too easy, with your woman-like ways.

            Talk BOXING. Or can't you?

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            • Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
              As usual, you're a day late and a dollar short.

              So because Froch took chances, that justifies him being better than he really is?

              You haven't pointed **** out. And I invited you to do so but as usual, you show up with your thumb up your asss.

              The difference between Canelo and Froch is that Froch started off early ... which is commendable, but he lost to an overrated Kessler early on. There's a very strong argument to be made that he lost to Dirrell as well.

              And we saw how he was made to realize that he wasn't world stage material when he faced Ward, right?

              Canelo is green, but Cintron was a step up. Not a world stage step up but the kid is coming along nicely. Canelo has more tools, better technique and more power than Froch. He has yet to have his chin checked thoroughly but if he passes that test he will definitely be up for a world stage challenge.

              Being green is no sin and nothing to be ashamed of. Froch saw a chance and took it. It was a calculated risk where Froch stood to gain everything and really at that point had nothing to lose by entering the Super Six.

              Carl was green at the beginning of the Super Six. It was what he showed during that tournament that has made him a top player. Froch is no better than Canelo. He's just a more proven commodity by at least 2 or 3 fights.

              I can address you all day with clear and concise points because I know my ****. You on the other hands have to hammer at the same things over and over because you've run out of things you can discuss competently.

              That much is clear, but I ain't mad at ya. You're just ... ****** persistent.


              1) losing to ward does not make you not world class, so you're wrong there.
              2) froch, before the tourny beat pascal, which is a better win than anything that canelo has, so if canelo hasn't even fought anyone as good as a young, untested pascal, why the *** would he be considered for a floyd fight
              3) canelo is over 30 fights deep and no real step up-certainly not one that , froch stepped up around his 20th fight. so froch didn't start early. canelo basically never started at all yet
              4) if you say one could argue that he lost to dirrel (and I think he did), one could also argue that he beat kessler, so it goes both ways.

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              • Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
                1) losing to ward does not make you not world class, so you're wrong there.
                2) froch, before the tourny beat pascal, which is a better win than anything that canelo has, so if canelo hasn't even fought anyone as good as a young, untested pascal, why the *** would he be considered for a floyd fight
                3) canelo is over 30 fights deep and no real step up-certainly not one that , froch stepped up around his 20th fight. so froch didn't start early. canelo basically never started at all yet
                4) if you say one could argue that he lost to dirrel (and I think he did), one could also argue that he beat kessler, so it goes both ways.
                At one time I had little to no respect for Froch myself. I saw him in the JT fight and he looked very armature. My mind set on Froch has changed dramatically. Not that I think he is P4P material but he is definitely World Class. His performances in the Super Six have solidified that in my mind.....Lefty

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                • Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
                  Well .. my only agenda has been to call it like it is.

                  You call me a troll?

                  Hahaha ...I have spoken more about actual boxing topics this year alone than you have in the last 12 months.

                  Maybe you should read what you write.

                  I write about boxing.

                  You comment on comments and those who write them.

                  Most peasants here are like that. They are more concerned with comments than boxing. That's how most of the foolishness gets started here.

                  In my last reply to you, it had ALL to do with boxing.

                  What did your comment I am replying to have to do with???????

                  You make it way too easy, with your woman-like ways.

                  Talk BOXING. Or can't you?
                  Did Cotto still go straight to the Pacquiao fight after Jennings, or are you done lying about that?

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                  • Sorry Larry, no young hungry lions. He's going after Scar instead.

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                    • looks like hes not fighting a young hungry lion larry. Thoughts? Is Cotto too old and not hungry enough?

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