How much did Cotto really risk?

[lefthook2daliva]

Funny thing is if Cotto had ended w/the PBF fight instead of the Pac fight, you'd have pretty much the same guys that are tearing him down writing 1100 word tributes to his awesomeness and a bunch of the ones sticking up for him talkin' 10 kinds of smack.

[King Ju-Ju]

Sheesh, Cotto gets a lot of hate from the dudes on here. Why? Every fighter has annoying fan boys don't mean u gotta go off on a fighter that u most likely are a fan of too. Or have respect for. Cotto is G.

[Walt Liquor]

Ya think? Really?



Name even 3 boxers that Barrera faced and beat to say that he had even better than average competition. Of those you will name, will you kindly let us know which of them were ranked in the top 3, please?

You won't because you cannot. That question alone will silence your foolishness immediately. Aside from Morales, the only men you cant cite that Barrera beat (and they aren't even worth mentioning) are Hamed, Tapia, Ayala and Juarez.

That's the grand competition you speak of? You shouldn't just have your card revoked for hyping up those BUMS, you should be slapped for wasting my time with that nonsense.



For you to call Hamed, who hid out in Europe fighting bums for his entire career before fighting Kelley, "a beast" means that you are NOT a boxing fan.

You're a fanboy of hype and promotion. Naseem Hamed has not one significant, meaningful win in terms of legacy wins. Any real fan knows this. Any real fan could look at the man's record and see that he pulled a Darius Michalczewski move and insulated himself from real competition until he arrived in America. Hamed's ONLY non-euro bum win came over Kelley, who was at that point regarded by most as way passed his best or even his better days.

You clearly just type whatever comes to mind. Notice that I don't just make ******, empty statements? I ALWAYS back my **** up with solid logic and facts.



You must have just started watching boxing. Go look at Floyd's record and then go watch those fights. You know .. the ones where championships were on the line. Floyd wasn't the P4P#1 and heir apparent to Roy Jones because he's actually "pretty". The man was knocking cats out and looking almost as inhuman as Jones doing it because they both seemed almost bored dominating the top 3 ranked champions and contenders in EVERY division they competed in.

What YOU clearly don't understand is that Barrera has not ever won against a WORLD CHAMPION CALIBER FIGHTER other than Morales! That fact alone illustrates that Barrera could not play on the elite stage. Every time he did try, he got beat! He's lost and won against Morales, but he also lost to Pacquiao, Marquez and Khan. You cannot name one other world champion caliber fighter that Barrera ever beat! EVER!

Morales isn't much better. His claim to fame is beating Pacquiao ONE TIME. Other than that, Morales' career is about Barrera and vice versa. His avoiding getting redemption against Zahir Raheem was plain out embarrassing. Pacquiao opting to fight Morales after Zahir took Morales' championship was equally embarrassing.

I want to leave you with a quote. Hopefully it will broaden your understanding as to why average fighters wind up getting such high and unwarranted rank and praise:

"However in an effort to make other fighters who don't dominate like the aforementioned seem more important for the sake of keeping specific fanbases interested and spending money, the business of boxing has placed a TREMENDOUS amount of emphasis on P4P lists ... which are completely subjective because they DO NOT have to adhere to any criteria to substantiate a ranking."



You at least got that part right. Now stop being dense and apply the same factors on the same exact scale and figure out for yourself that 90% of today's current boxers are the recipients of the same hype Cotto is.

Boxing is a business. The promoters and the networks know that no one is going to pay to see someone that is perceived as "mediocre" or "subpar". So every boxer who has even a modicum of talent is marketed as a gladiator of some sort. However those in the know understand that once those hype jobs step up against real talent there is a pretty big chance that they are going to get exposed.

It happened to Barrera twice against Junior Jones.

It happened to Morales against Zahir Raheem.

It happened to Kessler, Abraham and Froch once they signed to fight Ward.

That is why I and many other students of the game place so much emphasis on who not only fights but wins against champions/those who are ranked 1st, 2nd or 3rd in any given division CONSISTENTLY.

That alone is the most important factor when weighing who is great and a stand out talent.

You may find this hard to believe, but I really enjoy watching Manny Pacquiao fight. The man comes to ****!!! However, he dims his own star much in the same way that Lennox Lewis did by seeking those who have marketable names instead of fighting those who are the best talent at the time.

Aside from Marquez, its been YEARS since Manny has made an attempt to stand out by doing something special. Manny has had the opportunities to fight men while they are ranked #1, 2 and 3. He has declined EVERY TIME. He's consistently waited for someone else to beat them first before he finds the willingness to sign to fight.

I'm not sorry for saying that matching someone else's feat AFTER THE FACT does not hold the same value as the pioneer who took the risk when his opponent was on top!

Boxing deserves better fans. Really.

The only dumber boxing fan that then one that thinks naz was a beast when barrera fought him is the absolute moron than based their judgements of fighters resumes on opponents rankings in the alphabet soups. You fail at your attempts to appear a credible boxing historian. You are the king of revisionist history.

[Walt Liquor]

Name a floyd win better than barrera's first win over morales?

[bojangles1987]

I remember when Brother Jay used to lie and say that Cotto fought Jennings and then fought Pacquiao after. Can't believe he's still on this crusade against both Cotto and Barrera.

EDIT: Morales too apparently. He actually holds the Raheem fight as proof of Morales stepping up in competition and failing, lol.

[~AK49~]

This is where i disagree, tho cotto may have not gotten any/many belts legitimately, he wasnt afraid to put it on the line and fight the best in the division. He has a pretty ***n solid resume, one of the best resumes in the game today. Take your b!tch somewhere else...

[Walt Liquor]

Brother jay is such a fraud windbag on here. I like to let him dig his own grave its entertaining.

Henry bruseles.

[Walt Liquor]

Dude calls wayne mccollough and manuel medina eurobumps. So, you have no respect for those guys?

Shows what kind of fan/keyboard warrior you are. You need to give up boxing you classless scum.

Boxing needs way less fans like you. You dont even respect guys like that. Kill yourself.

[Brother Jay]

Funny thing is if Cotto had ended w/the PBF fight instead of the Pac fight, you'd have pretty much the same guys that are tearing him down writing 1100 word tributes to his awesomeness and a bunch of the ones sticking up for him talkin' 10 kinds of smack.

Personally, anyone who is willing to fight the top 3 in any division, beats them and keeps on doing that throughout their career will be ATG. Its just that simple. One has to keep challenging the best.

This is boxing. So of course there will be tune ups. However when all one begins to have on their record are tune ups and opponents instead of contenders and champions, but one STILL receives high rank & praise any way ... that person is the recipient of major hype and promotion.

[Walt Liquor]

Personally, anyone who is willing to fight the top 3 in any division, beats them and keeps on doing that throughout their career will be ATG. Its just that simple. One has to keep challenging the best.

This is boxing. So of course there will be tune ups. However when all one begins to have on their record are tune ups and opponents instead of contenders and champions, but one STILL receives high rank & praise any way ... that person is the recipient of major hype and promotion.

Top 3 by what measure? Only reason shane was top 3 was cuz of the margs won, and we all know you think margs is garbage.


Was bruseles top 3? How about Jmm? Chop chop coming off a loss? Sosa? Zab a top 3 ww? Ever? Not really. If you claim zab was, you have to break cotto off credit. I tell you what, that aint consistent.
Dlh was 5 years past his last good win when floyd fought him.

Coming of 3 straight l's and a mayorga win.


Cotto fought better ww comp than floyd. He fought pac for starters while floyd's been doing everything in his power not to make the fight (including introducing new rules).