How much did Cotto really risk?

[Brother Jay]

well one thing, cotto was gonna fight margarito instead of judah but margarito was forced to fight williams or lose his belt and he choose to fight williams. and he didn't fight him coming of a loss. he knocked out cintron. margarito did not seem vulnerable at all.

Was Cintron supposed to be a test? Who has Cintron ever tested?

[Brother Jay]

Was Floyd DARING when he moved to 140 and fought Gatti for a belt instead of Tszyu for the title? Mayweather was no more of a champion at 140 than Cotto was.

How long have you watched boxing for?

Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60/40 split with him taking the lion's share.

That's called "pricing yourself out of a championship".

Find out about that when you get a chance.

Ironically, in his very next fight, Tszyu faced underdog Ricky Hatton and got beat for the sceond time in his career. He retired, and Hatton went on to face Mayweather, the man who Hatton himself regarded as the best and who Tszyu avoided.

[Big_L]

Was Cintron supposed to be a test? Who has Cintron ever tested?

point is you are making it seems like cotto only fought margarito because he was coming off a loss and vulnerable and that is simply not true. he was going to fight him before he lost to williams. and margarito's image really wasn't hurt by the williams loss because it was very close and he finished that fight very strong. then destroyed cintron. margarito was thought of as highly as he's ever been when cotto fought him.

[Big_L]

How long have you watched boxing for?

Kostya Tszyu demanded a 60/40 split with him taking the lion's share.

That's called "pricing yourself out of a championship".

floyd mayweather was not money mayweather in 2005. gatti was his first ppv and gatti made more than he did. i don't think tszyu would be out of line for that. if your accurate.

[Brother Jay]

well one thing, cotto was gonna fight margarito instead of judah but margarito was forced to fight williams or lose his belt and he choose to fight williams. and he didn't fight him coming of a loss. he knocked out cintron. margarito did not seem vulnerable at all.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

When Margarito and Williams fought, neither man had done **** up to that point.

Margarito had this unwarranted "most feared man in boxing" rep, and lost to Paul who was virtually unknown.

Then Margarito didn't want a rematch. Cotto never sought a fight with Williams. Neither did Clottey. That's the way this new crop of Top Rank fighters operate.

For you to say that Margarito wasn't seen as vulnerable after losing to Williams after all that "most feared man" talk is silly. When a boxer loses decisively and it isn't controversial or a robbery, he becomes a vulnerable commodity.

Not necessarily broken, but definitely vulnerable.

Lastly, having a tune up between an upcoming bout and the biggest defeat of your career doesn't mean ****. Unless that tune up was against a proven threat that is doing big things .. it doesn't men squat. It just gives the oddsmakers an idea of how game a fighter is for the real show.

That's it.

[Brother Jay]

point is you are making it seems like cotto only fought margarito because he was coming off a loss and vulnerable and that is simply not true. he was going to fight him before he lost to williams. and margarito's image really wasn't hurt by the williams loss because it was very close and he finished that fight very strong. then destroyed cintron. margarito was thought of as highly as he's ever been when cotto fought him.

No no nooooo my man ... I don't do the "seem" thing. I say or rather write what I mean, and have no problem admitting when I have written something that has misrepresented my position.

Cotto can have intended to fight whoever he wanted to, but he still only competed for vacant titles at jrWW and WW. The proof my man ... is in the doing. Not in the talking.

Margarito was absolutely not as highly regarded after his loss to Williams. I watched the fight several times and let me tell you, no one feared him after that. Just ask Mosley and Pacquiao.

The highest point of Margarito's career was Cotto. In fact that's the only highlight of his career. Don't hype up Cintron now in order to make Margarito seem more formidable. Cintron's biggest win came over freakin' Teddy Reid.

That's not even worth debating.

[andrew14]

Cotto fought Clottey at 147 and he weighs 146 on the official weigh in.

Cotto fought Pac at a catch weight 145, and he weighs 145. lol

1 pound to cry about. Cotto is a much bloated 140 lb fighter and a leaner 147

warrior than a flabby 154 lb boxer.

Cotto is only arguing is his belt at 147 he dont want to fight at 145 with a belt.

But he fought for the money.

[El Angel]

Because you feel he was FORCED into the Pacquiao and Clottey fights, that makes them less risky? That makes no sense. Regardless of why he fought them, he fought them and that is risky.

[Big_L]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

When Margarito and Williams fought, neither man had done **** up to that point.

Margarito had this unwarranted "most feared man in boxing" rep, and lost to Paul who was virtually unknown.

Then Margarito didn't want a rematch. Cotto never sought a fight with Williams. Neither did Clottey. That's the way this new crop of Top Rank fighters operate.

For you to say that Margarito wasn't seen as vulnerable after losing to Williams after all that "most feared man" talk is silly. When a boxer loses decisively and it isn't controversial or a robbery, he becomes a vulnerable commodity.

Not necessarily broken, but definitely vulnerable.

Lastly, having a tune up between an upcoming bout and the biggest defeat of your career doesn't mean ****. Unless that tune up was against a proven threat that is doing big things .. it doesn't men squat. It just gives the oddsmakers an idea of how game a fighter is for the real show.

That's it.

so margarito was nothing before he fought williams and vulnerable after? so in other words, cotto would deserve no credit for fighting him at any point in his career?

[Brother Jay]

floyd mayweather was not money mayweather in 2005. gatti was his first ppv and gatti made more than he did. i don't think tszyu would be out of line for that. if your accurate.

Mayweather, who had come up several divisions kicking asss and taking names against top competition, had by that point done more than Tszyu and was clearly the draw.

That's how it all works, dude. The draw makes the demands. That why even when he was just a shadow of his former self and not even a champion, Tyson would walk away with huge purses.

While TREMENDOUSLY talented, Tszyu hid out at 140 all of his career. His legacy is that he was completely dominant there. However the pertinent question here is "Against who?".

Tszyu is a HOF without question, but he hardly had an ATG career.

Mayweather? Money or not .. he has been the headliner in every fight he's been in since destroying Diego Corrales back when Corrales was undefeated and one the hottest up and coming prospects in boxing.

The wins over Corrales and Castillo alone were enough to warrant the lion's share in a fight with Tszyu who had not one noteworthy name to display in his win column. Tszyu's biggest wins came over Roger Mayweather, an old JC Chavez and Zab Judah.

Its a no brainer.