If Cotto beats Pacquiao does he ranked above Mayweather?

[D4thincarnation]

I love how you and other Floyd haters always never want to mention what Floyd di at 130 and 135. He beat every Super Featherweight while he was there, including Corrales when he was #5 P4P. And he beat the best LW in the early 2000's era in Jose Luis Castillo.

I'll post a resume thread about Floyd and Cotto, so we can compare each guys notable resume.

The premise of putting Cotto higher is based on a win with the rematch with Pacquiao. That being a major scalp and also that makes it so he beats every fighter he ever fought.

Floyd was the dominant fighter at superfeather when he was there.

And I think the Corrales and Castillo wins were very good, just as Cottos wins over Mosley and Quintana

[Beater_of_ass]

Lmao at people saying Chico was elite, might as well say Gatti was too. These guys were in great fights, but a great fight doesn't equate to great skill. He was a good fighter but elite, get a grip.

I said Cotto but it can go either way. People say Cotto has a soft resume, but its WHEN you fought guys as well as who you fought. Paulie, Foreman, Quintana, Torres all these guys were undefeated when they faced Cotto that accounts for a lot. I think the main issue here, is that Floyd had a really good resume before he got to WW and Cotto has a really strong resume at WW. IDK man, Floyd has good NAMES on his resume but he was/is in the same boat with Manny in the sense that people want him to fight young strong guys. (Peterson, Bradley) but Manny is fighting the names too. Floyd did a better job of it though fighting Oscar and Hatton. (Retired when Cotto/Marg were brought up though.) Those were the young lions that people wanted to see Floyd fight and he just left, I guess that's where I see Cotto getting a possible nod.

I mean Hatton is a perfect example, at least for me I knew the guy was a overblown club fighter. But its a HUGE plus for Floyd to take his 0, Cotto did to that like 5 or 6 guys and fought Mosley/Margarito when Floyd didn't, as well as not fighting Cotto either. Floyd just left, not to mention he's only fought 3 times in 5 years now. And lately his resume is garbage, overblown Marquez (then didn't make CW) Grandpa Mosley who was done and Victor Oritz... I understand he was young but that is seriously the best reason he is even on there. It can go either way.

[Phenom]

Lmao at people saying Chico was elite, might as well say Gatti was too. These guys were in great fights, but a great fight doesn't equate to great skill. He was a good fighter but elite, get a grip.

depends on your definition of elite Chico was ranked Top 5 P4P by Ring that would put him there with the elites

I could argue that Cotto was never an elite because he won vacant belts and lost or struggled with the top guys in his division

[Brother Jay]

you aren't allowed to use the word fact for a 6 month learning period. after that period is up we will stop and review to see if you have learned the meaning of the word.

You might have a point ....

When I speak of ratings, I don't go by the subjective bull**** that most other fans go by. I go by a fighters wins, who he fought, what condition they were in when they fought him, if they were coming off a loss before they fought him, if it was a catchweight fight, and how many losses he's had and what level of fighter defeated him.

Now ... most dip****s these days rank fighters by:

What people were saying leading up to the fight.

If the critics gave a fighter no chance. If they didn't give the fighter much of a chance and he wins then he's automatically catapulted to the top 3 evidently.

Losses apparently don't matter and are not factored in IF the fighter has a fanatical, emotion-driven fanbase.

The rank of opponents apparently no longer matters to these same dip****s. As long as they have a recognizable name, its a legendary fight in their eyes.

Cheating no longer matters as Margarito was able to have his ban lifted and compete for a title he was NEVER in line for.

Pacquiao has been rated in the WW top 3 despite the fact that he has NEVER fought a WW rated above #4!

So yeah ... if I keep it simple and old school and rate according to who has success, consistency and masterful performances against the #1, #2 and #3 fighters in a division ... that would be why.

An undefeated fighter like Floyd who has fought better competition and also better ranked competition throughout a 15 year career will always be ranked higher than a man like Manny who has been knocked out twice, outboxed once, fought virtually no one any of you would recognize in his first 40 fights, and can't decisively beat the ONLY TOP 3 fighter he's faced in the last 5 years.

Think about it a while. This idea is like those pictures at the mall. You may have to stare at this post for a few minutes before your brain actually kicks in and allows you to consider that you only see the trees because I didn't help you see the forest until now.

Good luck with that.

[lefthook2daliva]

Much as I like MC and don't think it impossible that he beats up Pac, were he to actually do it, imo, he'd still have to beat up Floyd to be recognized as better and higher in an ATG sense.

Fanboys would be unwise to discard this scenario out of hand.

Stranger shlt has happened.

It's boxing...

[-Deal With It-]

depends on your definition of elite Chico was ranked Top 5 P4P by Ring that would put him there with the elites

I could argue that Cotto was never an elite because he won vacant belts and lost or struggled with the top guys in his division

In a historical sense, neither Cotto or Corrales are "elite". But in contemporary context, both are elite.

No way in hell can Cotto be considered "elite" if Corrales isn't. They both are practically the same caliber of fighter, with about even resumes. Which makes the Cotto-Mayweather comparison that much funnier. Because Mayweather has not only beaten several Cotto-level fighters, but has straight lopsidedly DOMINATED Cotto-level fighters. Where are Cotto's dominant wins over Mayweather-level fighters? Where are Cotto's wins PERIOD over fighters of Mayweather's caliber?

[Johnwoo8686]

Even if Cotto were to beat Pacquiao he would be 1-1 against Pacquiao. A win against Pacquiao could never erase the fact that Pac completely and utterly humiliated Cotto the first time they fought. In my opinion Cotto can never beat Pacquiao and I'm not sure why the TS has an obsession with discrediting Floyd. Basically every guy Floyd has fought in recent years has been at or near the top of their division while the same can't be said for many of Cotto's recent opponents. A win against Pacquiao would put Cotto closer to Floyd in the p4p rankings but it would never help him surpass Floyd.

[Beater_of_ass]

depends on your definition of elite Chico was ranked Top 5 P4P by Ring that would put him there with the elites

I could argue that Cotto was never an elite because he won vacant belts and lost or struggled with the top guys in his division

This is the dumbest thing anyone can ever say I swear. Floyd struggled with Castillo the top guy in his division, Manny struggled with Marquez so I guess they aren't elite. I don't get where in order to be a great fighter means you have to outclass EVERYONE on the planet, there is just no possible way to be good you can look bad/lose. Well you can say Floyd dominated Castillo in the rematch, fine. You can also say Cotto dominated Margarito in there rematch so then why exactly isn't Cotto elite? Because he struggled with Mosley... that was Mosley last great fight, unless you want to count the Marg fight which was still 3 fights after Cotto faced him. Saying Floyd did better means nothing, Mosley was done. So Cotto has a loss to Manny, at least he's faced him.