Comments Thread For: Adams Talks Roach, Says Valero Would Beat Pacquiao

[flint]

yeah yeah yeah,,,everyone can beat Pacquaio until they get in the ring with him lol...then its oh hes great, hes too fast...he to strong. Or its not his power its his speed...blah blah blah.

if this is the case. why couldnt pac beat jmm?and why is he ducking mayweather?

[Ekscape]

He fought and destroyed very durable Demarco who is currently a title holder @ 135 lbs.

Antonio Demarco?... GTFOH, I am banning you from talking about boxing anymore for the rest of the day... That was Valero's best win and Demarco is a C+ fighter, havn't beat anyone worth beating... It's ridiculous to even speculate if Valero had a chance against Pac, he was fighting two divisions below Manny and hadn't beat anyone worth talking about I see no difference in Valero and Brandon Rios to tell you the truth.... also **** Valero he was a coward

[boxingfan76]

Antonio Demarco?... GTFOH, I am banning you from talking about boxing anymore for the rest of the day... That was Valero's best win and Demarco is a C+ fighter, havn't beat anyone worth beating... It's ridiculous to even speculate if Valero had a chance against Pac, he was fighting two divisions below Manny and hadn't beat anyone worth talking about I see no difference in Valero and Brandon Rios to tell you the truth.... also **** Valero he was a coward

ok pipe DOWN ******,see that cluless flip down in my sig that hype job woulda beat Valero??? hell **** nah!!! couldnr even beat a 135lb 38 yr old great how would he have beaten a harder hitting just as fast and far more rugged and duarable valero???? Pac got his azz kickked against Marquez but its pac were talking about here he can win 3rounds and get a win a 12 round fight.And this lateround phantom rally pac SUPPOSELY DID AGAINST JMM IM STILL LOOKING FOR IT ,HE DIDNT LAND SHIAAT IN ANY ROUND INCLUDING THE LAST 3.FLOYD BOTT****S THAT CLOWN!!!! 28 MILLION TO FIGHT JMM BUT PICKS COTTA MAN IF THAT DOESNT SPEAK VOLUMES NOTHING WILL SMH....JMM BIATCHSLAPPED THAT CLOWN ASS!!!vivA MEXICO ****** FILIPINO KAKAS WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE **** IN YOUR ASS AND A WELL DESERVED ONE TOO, THE WORLD OVER KNOWS THIS THATS WHY U *******S ARE MIA FROM PAC THREADS!!!!!

[hillbilly]

Moving to Pacquiao's right is moving to your left.

He does bring up good points about other trainers not winning TOTY despite training one of the best fighter's of an era.

Valero had the ability to (although people will continue to look at him as a one dimensional slugger because of his crude punching technique even though his footwork and timing were excellent and he barely ever lost a round), but it can't be proven in the ring.

Valero had the sort of one punch power that could take anybody out if he landed. He was also very quick, but not really textbook in his technique (despite his pretty good amateur background). I think it would have been an interesting fight. The biggest wildcard would be Valero's partying. The stories of him and his reckless ways in both Japan and Venezuela are legion. He was his own worst enemy (as the murder of his wife and subsequent suicide shows).

I'm not so convinced of his argument re trainer of the year argument. Roy and Floyd train themselves. They always have. Moreover, they turned pros after performances at the Olympics where they were both arguably the best boxers in the entire field at any weight class (despite only winning bronze medals because of controversial decisions). They were therefore known and well respected quan****** before turning pro. Their performances at the professional level simply built on this.

Pacquaio is different. When Freddie took over his training, Pacquiao was very raw. He was really a one handed fighter. Just watch Morales 1 vs. Morales 3 and see how much he's developed. it is clear that Roach has been a huge part in his transformation whereas that was never really true with either RJJ or Floyd. I think Freddie's work with Pacquiao (although different) is more comparable to Emanuel Steward's work with Klitschko (and his confidence). They have totally transformed fighters into impressive champiions. Nobody did that with Floyd or RJJ.

Also, Shane was mostly successful in slowing down Pacquiao because he didn't do a damn thing in the fight. It pains me to say because he is one of my all-time favorite fighters and I think, in his prime at 135 he'd have taken either Pacquiao or Mayweather. But, man, he didn't come to fight that night, especially after Pacquiao knocked him down. He has been a shadow of himself since his close loss to Cotto.

[Ekscape]

ok pipe DOWN ******,see that cluless flip down in my sig that hype job woulda beat Valero??? hell **** nah!!! couldnr even beat a 135lb 38 yr old great how would he have beaten a harder hitting just as fast and far more rugged and duarable valero???? Pac got his azz kickked against Marquez but its pac were talking about here he can win 3rounds and get a win a 12 round fight.And this lateround phantom rally pac SUPPOSELY DID AGAINST JMM IM STILL LOOKING FOR IT ,HE DIDNT LAND SHIAAT IN ANY ROUND INCLUDING THE LAST 3.FLOYD BOTT****S THAT CLOWN!!!! 28 MILLION TO FIGHT JMM BUT PICKS COTTA MAN IF THAT DOESNT SPEAK VOLUMES NOTHING WILL SMH....JMM BIATCHSLAPPED THAT CLOWN ASS!!!vivA MEXICO ****** FILIPINO KAKAS WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE **** IN YOUR ASS AND A WELL DESERVED ONE TOO, THE WORLD OVER KNOWS THIS THATS WHY U *******S ARE MIA FROM PAC THREADS!!!!!

Comparing Marquez skill level to Valero's?... You just ended this convo by proving you don't know **** about boxing... good day sir

[JAB5239]

I would have picked Bradley to beat the overrated Valerie.

[Ekscape]

Valero had the sort of one punch power that could take anybody out if he landed. He was also very quick, but not really textbook in his technique (despite his pretty good amateur background). I think it would have been an interesting fight. The biggest wildcard would be Valero's partying. The stories of him and his reckless ways in both Japan and Venezuela are legion. He was his own worst enemy (as the murder of his wife and subsequent suicide shows).

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What the hell is wrong with the people on this forum now; HE WAS FIGHTING AT 135 POUNDS!!!!... How could we know his power would be as effective at 147; Pacquiao was getting hit by Margarito weighing 160lbs and was for the most part unphased... He hasn't been knocked down for years; but skinny ass overrated one dimensional Valero, who fought a bunch of bums in Venezuela that no one has heard of, and best win was against Antonio Demarco... Antonio Demarco... was gonna move up 12lbs and give Manny Pacquiao a run for his money? Bwhahah man you kids these days

[Mr. Philadel]

There's a difference of about 9 years there bud. So, what exactly is your point?

forget it man....you know what you was trying to say!!

[iniduoh]

There's alot of fighters out there that would beat Pac but he will never fight any of them. Pac has to be by far, the biggest CON of the 21 century.

[Mr. Invincible]

Antonio Demarco?... GTFOH, I am banning you from talking about boxing anymore for the rest of the day... That was Valero's best win and Demarco is a C+ fighter, havn't beat anyone worth beating... It's ridiculous to even speculate if Valero had a chance against Pac, he was fighting two divisions below Manny and hadn't beat anyone worth talking about I see no difference in Valero and Brandon Rios to tell you the truth.... also **** Valero he was a coward

You think I give two ****s what you think? You have mistaken me for somebody else b*tch. Ban my balls from hitting your chin.